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#2383616 - 09/21/11 09:36 AM 0w20 / 0w30 ?
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
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Loc: GA.
M1 0w20 & 0w30 oil bottle states something to the effect : " Fine / safe for all vehicles which stipulate 5w20 / 5w30 oil weights" . Is there ever an instance or situation when it is not fine / safe to use a 0w20 / 0w30 oil in place of 5w20 or 5w30 the vehicle manual or oil fill cap recommends ?

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#2383622 - 09/21/11 09:40 AM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
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I'm not aware of any such instance or situation.

The note on the label is there for people scared to run anything "0w" because they think it flows like water.
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#2383631 - 09/21/11 09:46 AM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
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I all a car calls for is a SL/SM/SN spec 5-30 I doubt it. I base this on my assumption that the 0-x oils have the same resistance to shear as a 5-x oil, which may or not be a safe one. That would be my only concern.

Other specs, like manufacturer specific specs, may make those oils not suitable for other reasons.
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#2383659 - 09/21/11 10:14 AM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
CATERHAM Offline


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For a number of reasons 0W-XX oils are superior formulations to their 5W-XX counterparts. So the answer to your question is no.
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#2383664 - 09/21/11 10:26 AM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
mechtech2 Offline


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Anything with a '0' as the first # has to be a full synth.
That has some inherent advantages right there.
And with better cold flow, who would not want a 0-X? [except for cost!]]

So sure... the 0-Xs are never a downgrade, and always suitable - they often have advantages in the extreme cold/hot.

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#2383680 - 09/21/11 10:45 AM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: mechtech2]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Anything with a '0' as the first # has to be a full synth.

With some exceptions...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1914760

Shell makes a 0w-30 synthetic blend as well (Rotella T line), if I'm not mistaken.
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#2383753 - 09/21/11 11:56 AM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: Quattro Pete]
CATERHAM Offline


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And Petro-Canada Duron 0W-30 and the current COP made Honda 0W-20 comes in both full syn and syn blend versions, BUT mechtech2's
point is well taken.
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#2383780 - 09/21/11 12:26 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
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Thanks for the replies ...besides M1 0w20 & 0w30 which I believe are sold at Walmart , does Penzoil have a readily available 0w20 & 0w30 ? If so , how does it stack up against M1 (i.e. availability , price , performance) ?

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#2383789 - 09/21/11 12:31 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Quattro Pete Offline


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Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 is listed on Pennzoil's website. Not sure how readily available it is.
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#2383791 - 09/21/11 12:40 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
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Pennzoil does make a 0W-20, it's good, lighter than M1 0W-20 and I prefer it to M1.
They don't 0W-30.
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#2383831 - 09/21/11 01:20 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: CATERHAM]
ChrisD46 Offline


Registered: 09/10/10
Posts: 1327
Loc: GA.
Any other 0w20 or 0w30 oils come to mind you have or would consider using (Valvoline , Castrol , etc.)

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#2383854 - 09/21/11 01:36 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
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Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
You haven't mentioned your car or how you drive it?
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#2383876 - 09/21/11 02:00 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: ChrisD46]
Oldwolf Offline


Registered: 09/22/05
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I use Mobil 1 0W30 in my 05 Prius. I'd like to use their 0W20 but am not sure if it is approved by Toyota just yet.
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#2383898 - 09/21/11 02:20 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: Oldwolf]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
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Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Oldwolf
I use Mobil 1 0W30 in my 05 Prius. I'd like to use their 0W20 but am not sure if it is approved by Toyota just yet.

The Toyota Brand 0W-20 has been spec'd for the Prius starting with the 2004 MY. Here's the list:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...463#Post2143463
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#2385248 - 09/22/11 09:45 PM Re: 0w20 / 0w30 ? [Re: Quattro Pete]
Patman Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
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Loc: Oakville, Ontario
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20 is listed on Pennzoil's website. Not sure how readily available it is.


It has recently become readily available up here in Canada, as both Canadian Tire and Walmart carry it now.
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