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#2328810 - 07/26/11 08:24 PM Quaker State Ultimate Durability
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So I was looking over MSDS sheets for Quaker State syns and I came across this MSDS According to this the 10w30 is a blend of polyolefins and additives. So does this mean the 10w30 is mostly PAO contrary to the all group III???

I don't want this to end up in a "which base oil is best" debate. I just found this interesting.


Edited by SEMI_287 (07/26/11 08:26 PM)
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#2328819 - 07/26/11 08:31 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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Interesting. I found the 5w-30 MSDS for the United States for QSUD at the same site and it says
"Blend of synthetic hydrocarbon, polyalphaolefins and additives.
The highly refined mineral oil contains <3% (w/w) DMSO-extract, according to IP346.
The highly refined mineral oil is only present as additive diluent."

And to add, it says the following for Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30
"Distillates (petroleum),
hydrotreated light paraffinic
64742-55-8 1.00 - 5.00%
Zinc alkyl dithiophosphate 68649-42-3 1.00 - 5.00%
Blend of polyolefins and additives."


Edited by TTK (07/26/11 08:34 PM)
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#2328851 - 07/26/11 09:01 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: TTK]
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Originally Posted By: TTK
Interesting. I found the 5w-30 MSDS for the United States for QSUD at the same site and it says
"Blend of synthetic hydrocarbon, polyalphaolefins and additives.
The highly refined mineral oil contains <3% (w/w) DMSO-extract, according to IP346.
The highly refined mineral oil is only present as additive diluent."

And to add, it says the following for Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30
"Distillates (petroleum),
hydrotreated light paraffinic
64742-55-8 1.00 - 5.00%
Zinc alkyl dithiophosphate 68649-42-3 1.00 - 5.00%
Blend of polyolefins and additives."


In English please?

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#2328856 - 07/26/11 09:06 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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I called QS (Shell) about a year ago about this and they (tech support) claim that QSUD is not PAO based. But from I understand, any motor oil that meets the GM4718 spec contains some PAO (how much?, don't know). Either way, from my experience/opinion QSUD performs the same as any other brand name synthetic meeting the GM4718 spec and is what I've been running in my '06 F150.
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#2328868 - 07/26/11 09:20 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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Either way there is nothing that says hydrotreated, which is group 3. It just says polyolefins which screams all group 4. I knew QSUD was a sleeper but possible grp4?!
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#2328977 - 07/26/11 11:18 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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Still a sleeper oil...
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#2329652 - 07/27/11 06:35 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: daves87rs]
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I wonder why some of the oil guru's have not commented on this thread. It certainly seems that QSUD is significantly Group 4, but I am not totally sure how to interpret the specs. It is surprising, especially in light of the specs for Pennzoil Platinum which seems less Group 4 than QSUD. Now Pennzoil Ultra 5w-30 says this
"Blend of polyolefins, hydrocarbon solvent and additives."
and that is all.
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#2329653 - 07/27/11 06:35 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: TTK]
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Originally Posted By: TTK
I wonder why some of the oil guru's have not commented on this thread. It certainly seems that QSUD is significantly Group 4, but I am not totally sure how to interpret the specs. It is surprising, especially in light of the specs for Pennzoil Platinum which seems less Group 4 than QSUD. Now Pennzoil Ultra 5w-30 says this
"Blend of polyolefins, hydrocarbon solvent and additives."
and that is all.


SOPUS doesn't use much, if any PAO (group IV) from what I understand.
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#2329667 - 07/27/11 06:46 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: OVERKILL]
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Did you read the MSDS? It seems the majority of QSUD is polyolefins.
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#2329679 - 07/27/11 06:52 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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I read that MSDS and dind't read about PAO's anywhere. Maybe I am blind I don't know.
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#2329690 - 07/27/11 06:56 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: sm00thpapa]
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I believe PAO is part of the family of Polyolefins. So, an oil could contain significant PAO with a description of Polyolefins. And, Polyolefins cannot be joined by solvent cementing.


Edited by TTK (07/27/11 07:00 PM)
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#2329874 - 07/27/11 09:28 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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Where's Johnny?
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#2329926 - 07/27/11 10:05 PM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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PAO is made from an olefin from the polyolefin family. Polyolefin

The more I dig the more I do believe QSUD 10w30 is PAO. Now I don't understand it all 100% but as an educated man that is my hypothesis. Johnny could definitely shed some light on it.
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#2330058 - 07/28/11 02:53 AM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
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Curious to learn something definitive in this thread. thumbsup
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#2330082 - 07/28/11 05:57 AM Re: Quaker State Ultimate Durability [Re: SEMI_287]
TTK Offline


Registered: 10/23/07
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Originally Posted By: SEMI_287
PAO is made from an olefin from the polyolefin family. Polyolefin

The more I dig the more I do believe QSUD 10w30 is PAO. Now I don't understand it all 100% but as an educated man that is my hypothesis. Johnny could definitely shed some light on it.


Same here, but it is not just 10w-30. 5w-30 shows the same description.
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