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#2285464 - 06/11/11 12:38 PM Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about
Massimo_A Offline


Registered: 06/10/11
Posts: 14
Loc: Otranto, Italy.
Hello boys, first of all comngratulation for the splendid forum.
I'm Massimo and write from Italy.
I have a new Alfa Romeo Giulietta with 2.0 JTDm diesel engine.

Now, i would use Ceratec. I know that Ceratec is based on Boron Nitride, in fact it is written in the technical sheet here.

But in the MSDS do not appears any trace of boron nitride, but in MSDS is written that ingredient in Ceratec si Molybdenum.
Still, i notice that the old version of Ceratec was white and the actual is more orange!

So, is it still composed with boron nitride?

Anyone know it?


Edited by Massimo_A (06/11/11 12:39 PM)

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#2285506 - 06/11/11 01:29 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
chubbs1 Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
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Loc: Merritt Island FL, USA
The ceratec has boron no doubt. The MSDS may mention Molybdenum because it is a metal and may be required to be disclosed on the MSDS. Go by the Technical Data Sheet.

It is fine and full of Boron Nitride.

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#2285535 - 06/11/11 02:20 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
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Registered: 05/08/11
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What a beautiful car- I wish we would get them here in the States!
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#2285562 - 06/11/11 02:56 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: chubbs1]
Massimo_A Offline


Registered: 06/10/11
Posts: 14
Loc: Otranto, Italy.
Originally Posted By: chubbs1
The ceratec has boron no doubt. The MSDS may mention Molybdenum because it is a metal and may be required to be disclosed on the MSDS. Go by the Technical Data Sheet.

It is fine and full of Boron Nitride.

Welcome!!!!
Matt


Thanks for reply Matt!

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#2285563 - 06/11/11 02:57 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: needsducktape]
Massimo_A Offline


Registered: 06/10/11
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Loc: Otranto, Italy.
Originally Posted By: needsducktape
What a beautiful car- I wish we would get them here in the States!


unfortunately for the Americans, the european auto market is totally different from american market. frown


Edited by Massimo_A (06/11/11 02:57 PM)

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#2285580 - 06/11/11 03:08 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
dailydriver Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
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You also avoid one of the only supposed drawbacks to Ceratec (that it can foul/cause deposits/buildup on spark plugs) by putting it in a diesel! cool

(Hopefully, it will not coat glow plugs?)
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#2285771 - 06/11/11 07:39 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: dailydriver]
Massimo_A Offline


Registered: 06/10/11
Posts: 14
Loc: Otranto, Italy.
Someone had experience in problem like this?...it's sounds strange to me.
Ceratec should be a safe product.

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#2285774 - 06/11/11 07:43 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
Trav Offline


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Thousands of Europeans are running this in their diesels without issue.
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#2285948 - 06/11/11 11:59 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
Falcon_LS Offline


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Posts: 3866
Loc: Kuwait
The formulation has not changed, so Cera Tec still contains boron nitride and friction modifiers in its formulation.
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#2286005 - 06/12/11 03:36 AM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Falcon_LS]
Massimo_A Offline


Registered: 06/10/11
Posts: 14
Loc: Otranto, Italy.
Thanks for the infos.

Products based on boron and mos2, from what I understand, should be also more effective and safer than products based on PTFE/Teflon, is it right?

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#2286023 - 06/12/11 05:58 AM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
Falcon_LS Offline


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I beleive PTFE based anti-friction additives were the cause of various lawsuits, but I could be wrong.
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#2286035 - 06/12/11 06:50 AM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Massimo_A]
Volvo_ST1 Offline


Registered: 02/05/11
Posts: 939
Loc: WA, USA
Originally Posted By: Massimo_A
Thanks for the infos.

Products based on boron and mos2, from what I understand, should be also more effective and safer than products based on PTFE/Teflon, is it right?


PTFE produses highly toxic gasses above a certain temperature. As far as I know there are no issues with the ceramic component in Ceratec.

I used Ceratec once in my engine about 3 years ago. The stuff looked like yogurt. I didn't notice any positive or negative effect on fuel consumption, engine smoothness, etc. At $20 a bottle, I don't think I'll try it again.
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#2286121 - 06/12/11 09:32 AM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: Volvo_ST1]
TurboJim Offline


Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 830
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
At $20 a bottle, I don't think I'll try it again.


Where were you able to find it at that price?

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#2302175 - 06/30/11 05:11 AM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: TurboJim]
Massimo_A Offline


Registered: 06/10/11
Posts: 14
Loc: Otranto, Italy.
I read this article:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=729116#Post729116

So, incredibly, i can get even an increase of wear?!?

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#2392864 - 09/30/11 11:21 PM Re: Liqui Moly (or Lubro Moly) Ceratec and info about [Re: TurboJim]
zyxelenator Offline


Registered: 01/24/11
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Loc: Louisville,KY
Originally Posted By: TurboJim
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
At $20 a bottle, I don't think I'll try it again.


Where were you able to find it at that price?

I finally found it cheaper than $50 from matrixoil. Check out autobarn website. $24.95+shipping
As I've been told it can be used it manual trannies and gearboxes,not just engine.
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