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#2263010 - 05/16/11 07:19 PM Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment.
WMSmotorhead Offline


Registered: 05/15/11
Posts: 883
Loc: Cleveland OH USA
I've seen the Chlorinated Parafin stuff, the ZDDP stuff, and the PTFE stuff. This stuff is different.. and it is not supposed to void any vehicle warranties.

I found an MSDS on it (although it's a little old). It looks like it's got Lead naphthenate. I havn't seen that stuff discussed much.

Here's the MSDS



What to you think of this additive. Helpful, Harmful, or a mystery?

Thanks.

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#2263044 - 05/16/11 07:54 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
chad8 Offline


Registered: 08/26/09
Posts: 1341
Loc: michigan
The Justice brothers have been in the additive business 60+ years. They have had their cars raced at indy and made a lot of money selling additives.
Their oil additive looks like many around the globe. Mineral oil, pao and lead and whatever else they put in. No better than the rest. If you have a specific motor to clean there are hundreds of miracle products like this one. Their full product lineup looks a lot like amsoil and B-G .
Made in California no less.
Most serve a function and like fancy fishing lures ,catch more fisherman than fish. Read up on their history and see if the price/value meets what you are trying to accomplish in a specific motor.
I am generally against motor oil additives unless you have a problem that you wish to take a chance correcting.

http://justicebrothers.com/pages/company/index.htm

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#2263077 - 05/16/11 08:21 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: chad8]
WMSmotorhead Offline


Registered: 05/15/11
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Loc: Cleveland OH USA
I have liked their cleaning products for air intakes and such, so their Oil Additive got my attention. Does it look like there's anything particularly harmful to motors in it?

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#2263082 - 05/16/11 08:26 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
glum Offline


Registered: 02/03/11
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Loc: Charlotte, NC
Lead napthenate can aid lubricity but it's toxic and it's absorbed through the skin... Just FYI.
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#2263149 - 05/16/11 09:21 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: glum]
WMSmotorhead Offline


Registered: 05/15/11
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Loc: Cleveland OH USA
Indeed. When it just said "NAP" I was like [censored]? so then I looked up the code next to it. Looks for sure to be the Lead stuff.

I have read the tests on it with Lab rats too. From what I have read, this stuff will out-do ZDDP, and it doesn't get chorosive like CP's. That said, besides the health risk, how does it fare in an engine?

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#2263208 - 05/16/11 10:26 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
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If you burn any oil, it can't be good for the cats or o2 sensor.
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#2264068 - 05/17/11 07:31 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
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Am I seeing PAO? (GrpIV)

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#2264303 - 05/17/11 11:32 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
55Test Offline


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Posts: 1970
Loc: New Brunswick
Diesel fuel, in an oil additive? What's the reason?
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#2264780 - 05/18/11 01:29 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10611
Loc: Las Vegas NV
From their website:
Quote:
Increase viscosity and anti-wear properties
Treats the Metal, Not the Oil®
Contains JB Metal Conditioner


Increase viscosity is most likely from VII. I'm guessing this would be the polymer on the MSDS.

"Metal Conditioner" is most certainly Chlorinated Paraffin.
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#2264781 - 05/18/11 01:30 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: 55Test]
Tempest Offline


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Loc: Las Vegas NV
Originally Posted By: 55
Diesel fuel, in an oil additive? What's the reason?

Just guessing, but a little bit of cleaning in order for the CP to get to the surface.
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#2265306 - 05/18/11 11:24 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: Tempest]
WMSmotorhead Offline


Registered: 05/15/11
Posts: 883
Loc: Cleveland OH USA
I've seen CP in their transmission products, but not in the motor oil products. I got MSDS from lots of thier stuff. I'm pretty darn sure this is CP free.

The results of using this in an older worn engine has met the claims on the can of smoother running, and restored power.

I'm pretty sure this isn't a CP product... More on the lines of what that RESTORE stuff is like.


I have emailed them about these things, and have been told the following..

"All Justice Brothers’ products are safe for use with vehicles equipped with catalytic converters when used as directed. Justice Brothers’ products are also safe for oxygen sensors, or any other sensor for that matter. I believe the reference you’re citing about restricting anti-wear additives in oil is partly due to zinc or ZDDP. The presence of zinc, also referred to as ZDDP, has been shown in studies to be harmful to the environment. Justice Brothers’ products do not contain zinc, ZDDP or Teflon®. Justice Brothers’ oil additives contain JB Metal Conditioner® which reduces friction and wear so the assembly runs cooler, quieter and smoother."

The MSDS I have is from 1998, so reformulated it may be. But looking at their product lines, the only think that shows a trace of CP is transmission products.





Edited by WMSmotorhead (05/18/11 11:29 PM)

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#2266935 - 05/20/11 09:00 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 18447
Loc: Iowegia - USA
First of all, what disease or ailment are we treating?

When we formulate lubricants, I know of no chemical compound we leave out just so some company can sell an OTC additive.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=530321#Post530321
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#2266941 - 05/20/11 09:07 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
MolaKule Offline


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Loc: Iowegia - USA
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1009589/

I have seen lead naphthenate formulations used up until about 1950 for gear oils, but geez, this is great-grandpaw's technology.
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#2267826 - 05/21/11 11:29 PM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: MolaKule]
WMSmotorhead Offline


Registered: 05/15/11
Posts: 883
Loc: Cleveland OH USA
Yeah.... All of their stuff has "JB Metal Conditioner" whatever it is... it's said to NOT be CP, PTFE, or ZDDP... It's said on the package to be in most every one of their products.

The reason I'm asking all the JB stuff, is that recently I was encouraged to try some of their cleaning products for Fuel Systems and Air Intakes. I was thoroughly impressed with the results from those, so I figured I would research some of their other things.

The oil products may not be much to speak of, but the Penetrating oil, Fuel Injector Cleaner, and Air Intake cleaner really delivered for me. Maybe I can post about those in the fuel section. The JB-80 Penetrating Oil IMHO can stand wtih Kroil, Deep Creep and Blaster.

It's just a natural curiosity.. if I have a great experience driving a Ford 500, it only seems natural to take an intrest in the other Ford family products.

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#2267952 - 05/22/11 08:51 AM Re: Justice Brothers Concentrated Oil Treatment. [Re: WMSmotorhead]
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Do you realize how many of your posts are about Justice Brothers products? I hope this is not a form of spam,
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