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#2245350 - 04/27/11 06:23 PM Best 0W-20 readily available?
xBa380 Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 801
Loc: Cleveland
Hey guys,

I was wondering, what is the best 0W20 currently available to buy in retailers? (Autozone, Walmart, etc...)

I used to buy PP 0W20 online, but would rather do something a bit less expensive. I think my only options really are Castrol Edge, M1 and Toyota 0W20.

What oil is the most robust for an OCI of around 7,500-8,500 miles? I do bi-annual OCI and my spring one is right around the corner. I am thinking Edge may be the favorite, but just wanted to get some input!

Thanks guys!

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#2245359 - 04/27/11 06:32 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
pbm Offline


Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 6675
Loc: New York
It's hard to beat Mobil 1 for $24.50 for the 5 quart jug at WM.

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#2245371 - 04/27/11 06:53 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
I don't know what "best" means?
Of the oils you mentioned M1 is the thickest at operating temp's with a HTHS vis of 2.7cP.
The lightest is the Toyota 0W-20 which shears down to about 2.4cP almost immediately in service and by far it is the lightest oil on start-up that you can buy with it's VI of 214.
The other oils are in the middle.
All will last for your OCI.

Since we know nothing of your application it's impossible to say.
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#2245382 - 04/27/11 07:07 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
xBa380 Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 801
Loc: Cleveland
Sorry to be vague, basically just want to make sure whatever I use that 8,000 miles is not a stretch for it's additive pack, and one that performs great with minimal wear. Pennzoil has been great to me in my 2008 xB (2.4L) in terms of wear via UOA's, but I am sure almost any oil will.

Maybe I will look into the Toyota 0W20 to use...





Edited by xBa380 (04/27/11 07:09 PM)

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#2245383 - 04/27/11 07:07 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: pbm]
umungus1122 Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 836
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: pbm
It's hard to beat Mobil 1 for $24.50 for the 5 quart jug at WM.

+1 Mobil 1 is easiest to find, and Wally carries Valvoline 0w-20 also, if you prefer. Both are easier to acquire than the Platinum 0w-20.
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#2245386 - 04/27/11 07:10 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
xBa380 Offline


Registered: 02/12/08
Posts: 801
Loc: Cleveland
My Walmarts no longer carry the 5QT jugs of 0W20... 0W30 sure, but no 0W20 (only in quart containers).

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#2245440 - 04/27/11 08:11 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
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Registered: 04/07/11
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Loc: Ankeny, IA
Mobil 1 is your best bet, I assume you mean Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20. It's a great oil for the price.
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#2245448 - 04/27/11 08:25 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
chubbs1 Offline


Registered: 06/09/10
Posts: 4574
Loc: Merritt Island FL, USA
If your Walmart does not carry AFE 0w20, I would ask management to stock it, to at least give it a try. The only other thing I know of is to wait for Edge/Syntec to go on sale (which it is this month at AAP) and buy it then w/ the filter combo. And yes they have 0w20 in both the "Edges" so you can take your pick.

M1 AFE is a good deal but if you like Castrol products you can't beat the oil/filter combo. I have yet to see any others reasonably priced, if I even see them.

You could spring for Amsoil and do extended drains as well.


Edited by chubbs1 (04/27/11 08:26 PM)
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#2245455 - 04/27/11 08:32 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
kballowe Offline


Registered: 10/26/05
Posts: 1022
Loc: East Central Missouri
I watch the sales and get M1 0W-20 in quarts at the local auto parts stores. Last week it was $5 quart at O'Reilly's.

2010 Toyota Camry.

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#2245470 - 04/27/11 08:52 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: pbm]
Whimsey Offline


Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 3559
Loc: The Garden State
Originally Posted By: pbm
It's hard to beat Mobil 1 for $24.50 for the 5 quart jug at WM.


Up to this week my local WalMart only carried Mobil 1 0W-20 in quart bottles @ now $6.56/qt. Today they have 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 0W-20 at the $24.50. That's $4.90/qt smile thumbsup , a great price!

Whimsey

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#2245600 - 04/27/11 11:08 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: Whimsey]
hhu168 Offline


Registered: 03/09/11
Posts: 136
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Whimsey
Up to this week my local WalMart only carried Mobil 1 0W-20 in quart bottles @ now $6.56/qt. Today they have 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 0W-20 at the $24.50. That's $4.90/qt smile thumbsup , a great price!
Whimsey


I think the 5 qt jug M1 0w20 used to be $23.50. They raised the price to be even with 0w30 about one month ago.
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#2245624 - 04/27/11 11:50 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: CATERHAM]
Spockian1 Offline


Registered: 04/03/11
Posts: 43
Loc: Miami, FL
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The lightest is the Toyota 0W-20 which shears down to about 2.4cP almost immediately in service...

Where does that information come from? And I'd be curious how it compares to M1 AFE 0w20 in use. (Which used to start out at 2.6 cP and now starts out at 2.7 cP.)

I use Toyota's 0w20 in my Toyota. But M1 0w20 in my Sprint. I like the Toyota oil just fine. But while it is based upon Nippon/Eneos (although now manufactured by XOM) it is made to Toyota's specific specs.

Toyota is thus free to focus on the requirements of Toyota engines. They don't have to worry about the fact that other manufacturers' engines might have special requirements. If certain GM engines, say, have special issues with copper, Toyota doesn't have to care. Mobil and Pennzoil *do* have to care about these things in their general product line.

I don't have any specific information I can point to. But I prefer having a general market oil in my general market car. And reserve the Toyota oil for my Toyota engine.

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#2245628 - 04/27/11 11:55 PM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
Spockian1 Offline


Registered: 04/03/11
Posts: 43
Loc: Miami, FL
Originally Posted By: xBa380
My Walmarts no longer carry the 5QT jugs of 0W20..

No longer? Or not yet? The 5qt 0w20 jugs are a new thing. They just showed up in my town. But I checked 5 Walmarts in New Mexico last week and they didn't even have shelf-labels for the 0w20 jugs yet.

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#2245654 - 04/28/11 12:34 AM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: xBa380]
HTSS_TR Offline


Registered: 04/17/06
Posts: 19528
Loc: Lake Forest, CA
Of the 4 WM's around here only 1 have few jugs M1 0W20 on the shelf, the other don't have any yet.


Edited by HTSS_TR (04/28/11 12:35 AM)
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#2245689 - 04/28/11 03:01 AM Re: Best 0W-20 readily available? [Re: Spockian1]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Spockian1
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The lightest is the Toyota 0W-20 which shears down to about 2.4cP almost immediately in service...

Where does that information come from? And I'd be curious how it compares to M1 AFE 0w20 in use. (Which used to start out at 2.6 cP and now starts out at 2.7 cP.)

I use Toyota's 0w20 in my Toyota. But M1 0w20 in my Sprint. I like the Toyota oil just fine. But while it is based upon Nippon/Eneos (although now manufactured by XOM) it is made to Toyota's specific specs.

Toyota is thus free to focus on the requirements of Toyota engines. They don't have to worry about the fact that other manufacturers' engines might have special requirements. If certain GM engines, say, have special issues with copper, Toyota doesn't have to care. Mobil and Pennzoil *do* have to care about these things in their general product line.

I don't have any specific information I can point to. But I prefer having a general market oil in my general market car. And reserve the Toyota oil for my Toyota engine.

I've used the Toyota 0W-20 and it shears about 10% (oil pressure drop) within the first 150 miles of being in service but then stabilizes. Obviously this is by design. Not saying other 20wts like M1 don't shear, they will but not by design.

Other than that observation, the two other unique characteristics of the Toyota oil (along with the ENEOS you mentioned and the Idemitsu made 0W-20s) is it's ultra high VI (214) plus they contain 800 ppm or so of organic moly.

While the Toyota oil is somewhat lighter at operating temp's to M1, because of it's very much higher VI it is also much lighter at all typical start-up temps. About 25% at room temperature and a whopping 35% at 0C.
It is for these reasons I prefer it to all other OTC 20wt oils.
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