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#2212126 - 03/25/11 10:18 PM Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit
sciphi Offline


Registered: 03/24/07
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Loc: Upstate NY
2009 Honda Fit Sport, 28,600 miles (IIRC) on the car with the oil change. Blackstone said to run out to 11k miles and sample again. Fuel is a bit high because we jockeyed the car around a little in the driveway prior to the oil change. The silicon tells me that OEM Honda air filters are just fine. Car is on its second Honda air filter. Oil filter was a M1-104 (crosses to Purolator L14459). I put in more M1 0w-20 and another M1-104. Hope to re-sample at 15% on the OLM.

Report:
Code:
     MI/HR on Oil                   8,800 
                                              UNIT / 
     MI/HR on Unit                                                               
                                            LOCATION 
     Sample Date                 10/29/10  AVERAGES                              
     Make Up Oil Added              0 qts 

  ALUMINUM                           5           5                                 
  CHROMIUM                           0           0                                 
  IRON                               13          13                                
  COPPER                             3           3                                 
  LEAD                               0           0                                 
  TIN                                0           0                                 
  MOLYBDENUM                         85          85                                
  NICKEL                             0           0                                
  MANGANESE                          1           1                                 
  SILVER                             0           0                                 
  TITANIUM                           0           0                                 
  POTASSIUM                          4           4                                 
  BORON                             44          44                                  
  SILICON                            9           9                                 
  SODIUM                             6           6                                 
  CALCIUM                         2028        2028                                 
  MAGNESIUM                         10          10                                 
  PHOSPHORUS                       562         562                                 
  ZINC                             654         654                    
  BARIUM                             0           0                                 
                                             Values 
                                           Should Be* 

  SUS Viscosity @ 210F           48.7       46-56 
  cSt Viscosity @ 100C           6.88     6.0-9.4 
  Flashpoint in F                 340        >385 
  Fuel %                           2.3        <2.0 
  Antifreeze %                     0.0         0.0  
  Water %                          0.0        <0.1 
  Insolubles %                     0.4        <0.6 
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#2212164 - 03/25/11 10:44 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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The Honda OLM is calibrated with dino, you can easily go to 0% on the OLM with any syn, with M1 0W20 you may be able to pass OLM by 15-25% (reset OLM when it is down to 0% and change oil when it is 75%)
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#2212169 - 03/25/11 10:50 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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6.88 cSt? Flashpoint 340F? I don't know how I'd feel about taking it out to 11K with those numbers. But then again the breakin oil on the Fit is said to be 0w-10, isn't it?
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#2212178 - 03/25/11 10:54 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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Probably. I might change that once it's out of powertrain warranty. Right now I'll follow Honda recommendations with oil on this car.
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#2212187 - 03/25/11 10:59 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
dparm Offline


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I have heard the Insight break-in oil is 0w15 but have never seen that confirmed anywhere.
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#2212282 - 03/26/11 02:11 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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That is a lot of fuel. Was this entire oil fill done with the same ECU calibration? I remember that we both had the ECU reflashed at some point.
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#2212311 - 03/26/11 05:06 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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Based on what is [censored] telling you to extend the oci. I don't see a tbn measurement.
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#2212338 - 03/26/11 06:49 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: Brons2]
daman Offline


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Originally Posted By: Brons2
6.88 cSt? Flashpoint 340F? I don't know how I'd feel about taking it out to 11K with those numbers.

You do see how much fuel is in this sample don't you? that effects FP and Visc.
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#2212397 - 03/26/11 08:15 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: The Critic]
sciphi Offline


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Originally Posted By: The Critic
That is a lot of fuel. Was this entire oil fill done with the same ECU calibration? I remember that we both had the ECU reflashed at some point.


IIRC we had the reflash done during this.

And, could idling the car on a cold engine in the driveway for 5-10 minutes trying to make my ramps work with it before changing the oil cause that much fuel? We had the car sitting idling right before changing the oil diddling around with the ramps before I gave up and broke out my jack/jackstands.

On this sample the car saw about 80% highway commuting duties involving a 25 mile trip each way with a cold start both times.

Next time I'll get a sample when the engine is shut down hot.
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#2212463 - 03/26/11 09:56 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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Originally Posted By: sciphi
And, could idling the car on a cold engine in the driveway for 5-10 minutes trying to make my ramps work with it before changing the oil cause that much fuel?

Definitely, since engines tend to run rich until they warm up. Usually the exhaust smells of unburned fuel during the first few minutes of startup.
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#2212492 - 03/26/11 10:40 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
Artem Offline


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That's a lot of fuel. Your sampling technique (idling a cold engine in the driveway) kinda ruined the UOA report, since you have no idea whether you can actually extend your OCIs or not, as a result of all that fuel!!

I don't get B_S's recommendations sometimes. It seems when the oil is in terrible condition, they recommend an almost 3,000 mile extension but when the oil looks to be in decent shape, they recommend an increase of 700 miles. duh

That's a lot of fuel for all highway cruising.

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#2212499 - 03/26/11 10:44 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
sciphi Offline


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Loc: Upstate NY
I know, my technique was terrible for sampling thanks to that idling right before the change.

At least the wear metals are okay.
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#2212510 - 03/26/11 10:59 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
Artem Offline


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True, you know that much for sure.

I honestly don't see any reason why you would not start working your way up to extending your OCIs right now while still under warranty.

With the UOA you know you're not running the oil down to its last drop of strength, so lube related failure isn't going to be an issue, so warranty on the engine at this point seems like a waste of time.

I did this with my 07 Civic EX and just now started extending my OCIs after the 60k warranty and i wish i did it sooner as i could have been saving money all along.

Engine runs great now @ 108k with 10k OCIs (factory OLM comes on at 6.5k) and i'm working towards extending even higher, hopefully around 15k since the Civic seems a lot of highway use.

Just a suggestion. Honda will never know you had synthetic oil in there, pushing the OCIs further then OEM spec.

You can easily run it down to 0% and still stay within warranty limits.
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#2213023 - 03/26/11 07:04 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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No comment on warranty related concerns, but try this set up again to 10K and get a UOA done immediately(have your ramps set up etc or just siphon from the dipstick) after driving a good 20+ miles on the highway and returning home.
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#2213113 - 03/26/11 08:54 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
sciphi Offline


Registered: 03/24/07
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Loc: Upstate NY
If my MityVac 7201 will siphon from the Fit, I'll do that right after it gets home after a highway run. There won't be idling before the next oil change any sampling method used.

I'll try to let the factory OLM go to 15% and set the light to change the oil before changing. Right now it's at 40%, so there's a way to go. Warranty will still be intact since that's how Honda recommends changing the oil. Wait for the light then change. I'm not going to argue.

The next UOA might be a bit skewed by having to open up the valve cover for the lost-motion-spring recall on 09-10 Fits.
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#2213126 - 03/26/11 09:05 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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It wouldn't surprise me if some of these new 0w20 drop a bit of viscosity to improve fuel efficiency. Amsoil 0w20 and RL 0w20 use no VII's and only go up a bit in viscosity over time. They added more moly to M1 0w20. My car loves it.
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#2213856 - 03/27/11 04:29 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
Artem Offline


Registered: 10/30/10
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Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: sciphi


The next UOA might be a bit skewed by having to open up the valve cover for the lost-motion-spring recall on 09-10 Fits.


That might throw off the numbers if a lot of dirt fell into the block while the VC was off. Either way, its worth sampling, worst case, you can see just how much dirt got in. haha.
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#2214280 - 03/27/11 10:47 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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Originally Posted By: sciphi
If my MityVac 7201 will siphon from the Fit, I'll do that right after it gets home after a highway run.

Yes, the MityVac will siphon oil from the Fit dipstick tube, but you need to clean the MityVac container/reservoir so that it will not contaminate the oil you extract from the Fit.
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#2216768 - 03/30/11 11:08 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
sciphi Offline


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My MityVac needs cleaning anyhow, so it'll get cleaned before yanking oil out.
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#2218569 - 04/01/11 09:04 AM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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Fuel, low flash, viscosity sheared, and insolubles creeping up. I wouldn't go further on this oil IMO.
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#2218901 - 04/01/11 03:28 PM Re: Mobil 1 0w-20 8800 miles 2009 Honda Fit [Re: sciphi]
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What did the OLM say at 8800 miles when you changed it? I've got same car running same oil, my visc at 100c was 7.8 after 10k miles. Note that the insolubles is pushing the max. I think 10k is safe with this oil, but I'm not going further than that (that's down to 15% on my OLM.
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