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#2117788 - 12/26/10 01:44 PM First oil change for my new car.....
1999cutiger Offline


Registered: 12/04/10
Posts: 119
Loc: Georgia
Hi Folks,

I have a new 2011 Toyota Camry LE (I4) and it currently has 850 miles on it. In the past, I have always changed the factory oil at 1000 miles. I just picked up a couple cases of Castrol Edge 0W20, and I am ready to give my Camry it's first oil change.

Is there any downside to draining the factory oil earlier than Toyota suggests? I have heard factory oil contains higher amounts of Moly. I don't know for sure though....

My primary reason for changing it at 1000 miles is to get any metal debris that may be floating around from the engine break-in period. Right or wrong...that is what I have been doing for many years. It has always seemed like a good idea to me.

Any thoughts or feedback would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance...


Edited by 1999cutiger (12/26/10 01:57 PM)
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#2117794 - 12/26/10 01:46 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
defektes Offline


Registered: 09/09/09
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run it for 2k then the next 3k then go to regular changes. No reason to dump it at 1k, it contains special additives to aid the break in process.
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#2117799 - 12/26/10 01:50 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
barlowc Offline


Registered: 03/16/09
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Originally Posted By: 1999cutiger
Is there any downside to draining the factory oil earlier than Toyota suggests?

The only real downside is wasting perfectly good oil. I would run the factory fill the full Toyota-suggested interval and then start using the EDGE you bought. Also make sure to use a good filter.
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#2117803 - 12/26/10 01:53 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
crazyoildude Offline


Registered: 07/23/08
Posts: 9808
Loc: New Jersey
I understand that toyota does not want you to change the oil out early and some dealers wont do it even if you ask, i dont know why... Maybe there is something in the oil different from the factory... I dont know what i do know is that we see a lot of toyota engines in here for rebuilds with under 100,000 miles and that was unheard of 10 years ago
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#2117808 - 12/26/10 01:56 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: barlowc]
1999cutiger Offline


Registered: 12/04/10
Posts: 119
Loc: Georgia
Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: 1999cutiger
Is there any downside to draining the factory oil earlier than Toyota suggests?

The only real downside is wasting perfectly good oil. I would run the factory fill the full Toyota-suggested interval and then start using the EDGE you bought. Also make sure to use a good filter.


Thanks for your feedback...I will be using Toyota OEM (Denso) oil filters.
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#2117809 - 12/26/10 01:56 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
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While I'll disagree that the factory fill has anything special (maybe assembly lube that came off the parts) I'd hold off on the changing it till you have 2-3k on it.

I'd personally do the next OCI a little shorter than the recommended then go into full OCIs.

Enjoy the new ride!

Bill

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#2117840 - 12/26/10 02:34 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
If you want to change it ,change it . No harm will be done. The "special" additives if any are for the initial running of the engine. I also heard that running any thing other than 5w-20 will ruin a Ford mod motor from the internet experts but lo and behold Ford has recommeded running a 10w-40 oil for a noise issue in some of those engines.
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#2117871 - 12/26/10 02:59 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
unixguru Offline


Registered: 06/24/10
Posts: 227
Loc: CA
I also like changing oil at around 1k miles for synthetic. Factory filled does contain some assembly lube, but other than that I don't think it's *special*

If anything you'd be doing your car a favor by changing it to synthetic.

I did change my mom's 09 Matrix at 1k miles last year without any problems. Oil was relatively clean. I wound't go over 3k miles on factory filled.

After a first change at 1k I would also do a change at 5-6k miles.

Make sure to watch your oil level after you switch to synthetic.

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#2117874 - 12/26/10 03:06 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
pidster Offline


Registered: 12/11/06
Posts: 548
Loc: ontario canada
On a NEW vehicle I think it's really unnecessary to do such an early change. I left the FF in my Ranger for about 6000km, severe service rec. is 8000km. And I LIKE changing oil smile

On a rebuilt, like I had in my old car I changed it at something like 100km, 500, 1000, then normal intervals.

Won't hurt anything to change it every 50 miles if you want but I really don't think it's helping either.
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#2117883 - 12/26/10 03:14 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: pidster]
Malo83 Offline


Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 1818
Loc: Cali
Change it! I never leave the original oil past the 1K mark, lots of micro eng debris floating around and in the filter thumbsup

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#2117886 - 12/26/10 03:15 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: Malo83]
kcfx4 Offline


Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 1412
Loc: indiana
Originally Posted By: Malo83
Change it! I never leave the original oil past the 1K mark, lots of micro eng debris floating around and in the filter thumbsup

+1!! thumbsup
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#2117896 - 12/26/10 03:24 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: kcfx4]
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Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 6674
Loc: NH
If Toyota is using a special break in oil it is news to me. They never have before to my knowledge( but I don't know everything of course ). Honda has done it but I never heard of Toyota? I always change the FF early( by 1000 ). Lots of break in particles in the oil.
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#2117899 - 12/26/10 03:26 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
kcfx4 Offline


Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 1412
Loc: indiana
rather if the term "break in oil" is used or not, it is what it is, and has particles from the "break in"! thumbsup
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#2117901 - 12/26/10 03:28 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
electrolover Offline


Registered: 12/04/10
Posts: 3192
Loc: TEXAS
i would go by the manufacture suggested oci. some do use break-in oils with high levels of ZDDP. others just break it in before the it leaves the factory. if all else fails follow the directions.

but im with ya i always changed the oil in engines i rebuilt at 500 miles.
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#2117921 - 12/26/10 04:06 PM Re: First oil change for my new car..... [Re: 1999cutiger]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 9112
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
+1 electrover. I change out at the first Severe service interval recommended by the manufacture. There are assembly lubes and or additives that get into the oil during the first few thousand miles that contribute to a proper break-in and scuffing protection. Too early changes can be detrimental to long engine like. You can't go wrong following the facory manual but, you can go wrong following self-appointed-experts. Ed
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