The record keeping requirements seem onerous but worth it if they actually pay
Anyone succeed w Valvoline Engine Warranty Claim?
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It's not worth the record keeping because the chance of engine failure related to oil that has 3k OCI is so slim, less than 0.0001%. Nobody on BITOG ever file a claim with Valvoline for warranty that I know of.
Originally Posted By: dabbdc
The record keeping requirements seem onerous but worth it if they actually pay
How is it worth it if they force you to change your oil every 4k miles? How many oil related engine failures have you seen on modern engine oil when the oil was changed so frequently? It's a marketing gimmick and just about every oil company nowadays has one of those...
The record keeping requirements seem onerous but worth it if they actually pay
How is it worth it if they force you to change your oil every 4k miles? How many oil related engine failures have you seen on modern engine oil when the oil was changed so frequently? It's a marketing gimmick and just about every oil company nowadays has one of those...
Who is going to pay for a certified engine rater to tear down your engine and the subsequent costs of oil analysis? The oil has to be proven to be directly responsible for the failure. If an engine has 300K on it, that likelyhood is zilch.
That money spent is like trying to make a dead horse run again. I would send an oil sample to an independent company for analysis and if they said it was oil related, then call Valvoline, otherwise it is just a waste of money that could be spent on a new engine or car.
That money spent is like trying to make a dead horse run again. I would send an oil sample to an independent company for analysis and if they said it was oil related, then call Valvoline, otherwise it is just a waste of money that could be spent on a new engine or car.
It doesn't kick in until 18 months after you register the vehicle for the warranty. The warranty is 4K changes, 150k miles for conventional valvo, 225K miles for blend, 300K miles for sythetic. You get one or two mistakes of going over 4K during the warranty.
http://www.engineguarantee.com/view_terms
http://www.engineguarantee.com/view_terms
If anybody here is seriously considering getting this warranty, then I have some fine beach front property in Las Vegas to sell them as well, these two offers are just too good to pass up
Seriously thought, these warranties are a joke, changing an expensive synth. every 4k, where most manufacturers these days recommend 5k OCI's with plain old dino
Seriously thought, these warranties are a joke, changing an expensive synth. every 4k, where most manufacturers these days recommend 5k OCI's with plain old dino
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Does it cover rotary engines? Apex seals are oil lubricated by injecting some oil into the fuel/air mixture, and don't last.
I once had an RX-8 come in with almost zero compression after 130,000 miles, it got 3000 mile oil changes with PYB
I once had an RX-8 come in with almost zero compression after 130,000 miles, it got 3000 mile oil changes with PYB
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Does it cover rotary engines? Apex seals are oil lubricated by injecting some oil into the fuel/air mixture, and don't last.
I once had an RX-8 come in with almost zero compression after 130,000 miles, it got 3000 mile oil changes with PYB
I think that would be considered a mechanical failure, not the fault of the oil.
I think the only way the warranty would work is if bad oil was installed in the bottle/jug. Everything else would be a mechanical failure.
Does it cover rotary engines? Apex seals are oil lubricated by injecting some oil into the fuel/air mixture, and don't last.
I once had an RX-8 come in with almost zero compression after 130,000 miles, it got 3000 mile oil changes with PYB
I think that would be considered a mechanical failure, not the fault of the oil.
I think the only way the warranty would work is if bad oil was installed in the bottle/jug. Everything else would be a mechanical failure.
Snowballs have a better chance in [censored] than anyone getting paid by any oil company for an engine failure. The oil companies legal departments are quite good at writing up the terms and conditions of the warranty.
Not me.
I agree that all those are a joke.
1. Keeping the records would be hard.
2. Oil related failures are basically unheard of.
3. Almost all failures would be mechanical or poor design in nature and not an oil issue.
4. I would be more concerned with a trans failure.
5. Even a sludge prone engine I am sure would be deemed as a mechanical or poor design issue and not the oil's fault if there was a failure.
It is a gimmick.
I agree that all those are a joke.
1. Keeping the records would be hard.
2. Oil related failures are basically unheard of.
3. Almost all failures would be mechanical or poor design in nature and not an oil issue.
4. I would be more concerned with a trans failure.
5. Even a sludge prone engine I am sure would be deemed as a mechanical or poor design issue and not the oil's fault if there was a failure.
It is a gimmick.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: dabbdc
The record keeping requirements seem onerous but worth it if they actually pay
How is it worth it if they force you to change your oil every 4k miles? How many oil related engine failures have you seen on modern engine oil when the oil was changed so frequently? It's a marketing gimmick and just about every oil company nowadays has one of those...
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Originally Posted By: dabbdc
The record keeping requirements seem onerous but worth it if they actually pay
How is it worth it if they force you to change your oil every 4k miles? How many oil related engine failures have you seen on modern engine oil when the oil was changed so frequently? It's a marketing gimmick and just about every oil company nowadays has one of those...
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The older rotaries also sprayed ANTIFREEZE on the seals.
This caused wear, for sure.
This caused wear, for sure.
glad someone remembered that.
My old RX-2 had a tank of antifreeze. The manual said it was for cold starts.
My old RX-2 had a tank of antifreeze. The manual said it was for cold starts.
yea, definitely a gimmick - same as the PP warranty. Cause yea, any decent oil, change at 3-5k OCIs will be able to keep an engine alive, even the generic stuff (SuperTech, Advance, etc...).
I think there was a post regarding "oil related engine claims" about a week or so ago....I personally never heard of one. At least Valvoline's sounds a bit more forgiving....
When I was reading through Pennzoil's warranty, you HAVE to have 4k/4month intervals, go over once and you void your warranty....and it only works on vehicles that have been using (and have proof/evidence/receipts) Pennzoil within 2 years of the vehicle production date (figure, those 08 vehicles are really produced in 07 or 06...lol) so to qualify you gotta be "loyal" from the get-go....
I think there was a post regarding "oil related engine claims" about a week or so ago....I personally never heard of one. At least Valvoline's sounds a bit more forgiving....
When I was reading through Pennzoil's warranty, you HAVE to have 4k/4month intervals, go over once and you void your warranty....and it only works on vehicles that have been using (and have proof/evidence/receipts) Pennzoil within 2 years of the vehicle production date (figure, those 08 vehicles are really produced in 07 or 06...lol) so to qualify you gotta be "loyal" from the get-go....
I was searching for info on the Valvoline Engine Guarantee thing and found this site.
I read the engine warranty conditions on the previously linked page - https://valvoline.promo.eprize.com/engineguarantee/view_terms
and I haven't found anywhere it says that is has to be an oil related failure. It does have to be an "oil-wetted" part to be covered, and the "breakdown" definition does not say it needs to be caused by anything in particular. It just has exclusions for some causes that warranties generally have.
So it's probably a fairly low chance to have a valid claim, but it doesn't have to be only a failure related to the oil like everyone has talked about - that would be much less likely with <4000 mile oil changes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I read the engine warranty conditions on the previously linked page - https://valvoline.promo.eprize.com/engineguarantee/view_terms
and I haven't found anywhere it says that is has to be an oil related failure. It does have to be an "oil-wetted" part to be covered, and the "breakdown" definition does not say it needs to be caused by anything in particular. It just has exclusions for some causes that warranties generally have.
So it's probably a fairly low chance to have a valid claim, but it doesn't have to be only a failure related to the oil like everyone has talked about - that would be much less likely with <4000 mile oil changes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally Posted By: artificialist
Does it cover rotary engines? Apex seals are oil lubricated by injecting some oil into the fuel/air mixture, and don't last.
I once had an RX-8 come in with almost zero compression after 130,000 miles, it got 3000 mile oil changes with PYB
All Mazda Wenkel (Rotary) engines ingest some motor oil into the fuel/air mix to lubricate the apex seal, and the lubrication requirements for rotary engines (I date these info back into the 80s where RE Amemiya (Jpn Mazda wenkel engine tuner/specialist) had a special blend motor oil around 10W40, but is ester based. This is custom blended to reduce apex-seal chattering and yet provide sufficient lubrication to keep the engine going and yet the oil+fuel+air mix still burns clean in the exhaust stream.
Unfortunately, I no longer has those info with me (remember: I collected these info in brochure form back in the 80s, guess that's 30yrs ago).Otherwise, I would have recommend it to you.
It's a sorry state to see Ford tried to influence Mazda in their technical dept as far as lubricant requirements and needs, which deviated from what the original design called for, citing Mazda 121 (Festiva) gear box lube: original factory spec. calls for something like SAE 70W80 but many Ford stealerships would use ATF instead. Guess why those bronze synchro goes so quickly?
Ditto with engine oil types/specifications for Mazda wenkel engines?
Q.
p.s. glad to see that my favourite oil brand (Idemitsu) still provides custom oil for rotary engines:
http://www.rotorsportsracing.com/performancetuning/idemitsu.htm
Does it cover rotary engines? Apex seals are oil lubricated by injecting some oil into the fuel/air mixture, and don't last.
I once had an RX-8 come in with almost zero compression after 130,000 miles, it got 3000 mile oil changes with PYB
All Mazda Wenkel (Rotary) engines ingest some motor oil into the fuel/air mix to lubricate the apex seal, and the lubrication requirements for rotary engines (I date these info back into the 80s where RE Amemiya (Jpn Mazda wenkel engine tuner/specialist) had a special blend motor oil around 10W40, but is ester based. This is custom blended to reduce apex-seal chattering and yet provide sufficient lubrication to keep the engine going and yet the oil+fuel+air mix still burns clean in the exhaust stream.
Unfortunately, I no longer has those info with me (remember: I collected these info in brochure form back in the 80s, guess that's 30yrs ago).Otherwise, I would have recommend it to you.
It's a sorry state to see Ford tried to influence Mazda in their technical dept as far as lubricant requirements and needs, which deviated from what the original design called for, citing Mazda 121 (Festiva) gear box lube: original factory spec. calls for something like SAE 70W80 but many Ford stealerships would use ATF instead. Guess why those bronze synchro goes so quickly?
Ditto with engine oil types/specifications for Mazda wenkel engines?
Q.
p.s. glad to see that my favourite oil brand (Idemitsu) still provides custom oil for rotary engines:
http://www.rotorsportsracing.com/performancetuning/idemitsu.htm
The Valvoline Engine "Guarantee" is guaranteed to drain your pockets with their extremely conservative OCI's. Even "Lubes 'N Greases" Magazine called it a marketing move that puts Valvoline WAYY ahead of the consumer.
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