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#1993880 - 08/22/10 09:49 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: pbm]
FL-400S Offline


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Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Ive used the Motorcraft FL-400s on many toyotas that take the 4967. Basically, if it will fit without touching anything, I use it! It used to be only about $.50 more at walmart than the supertechs.



Is the 3614 size filter OK to use on an 08' Corolla?


PS: In 1987 Consumer Reports magazine rated Fram the best oil filter. Many old timers began (and continue) to buy Fram without knowing that the internals have had cardboard endcaps for years. These people go into WM and think they are buying a high quality filter. I used Fram until coming to this site a few years ago. You live and you learn.


Doesn't yours use a cartridge filter like my 09 Vibe? Either way I would use the 4967 until your warranty is over, then try others at your own risk. Ive used the FL-400s on a 1994 tercel and 03 tundra for years with no problems. It would fit on the 2000 corolla but was touching a rubber hose (that was the older, longer FL-400s).


Edited by FL-400S (08/22/10 09:56 AM)

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#1993885 - 08/22/10 09:58 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: FL-400S]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12837
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Originally Posted By: pbm
Originally Posted By: FL-400S
Ive used the Motorcraft FL-400s on many toyotas that take the 4967. Basically, if it will fit without touching anything, I use it! It used to be only about $.50 more at walmart than the supertechs.



Is the 3614 size filter OK to use on an 08' Corolla?


PS: In 1987 Consumer Reports magazine rated Fram the best oil filter. Many old timers began (and continue) to buy Fram without knowing that the internals have had cardboard endcaps for years. These people go into WM and think they are buying a high quality filter. I used Fram until coming to this site a few years ago. You live and you learn.


Doesn't yours use a cartridge filter like my 09 Vibe? Either way I would use the 4967 until your warranty is over, then try others at your own risk. Ive used the FL-400s on a 1994 tercel and 03 tundra for years with no problems. It would fit on the 2000 corolla but was touching a rubber hose (that was the older, longer FL-400s).


09 was when they went away from the 1ZZFE motor to the newer motor.

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#1993899 - 08/22/10 10:22 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: pbm]
Newtonville Offline


Registered: 01/19/09
Posts: 267
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: pbm
[quote=FL-400S]

PS: In 1987 Consumer Reports magazine rated Fram the best oil filter. Many old timers began (and continue) to buy Fram without knowing that the internals have had cardboard endcaps for years. These people go into WM and think they are buying a high quality filter. I used Fram until coming to this site a few years ago. You live and you learn.


I think that's some of it, I sort of remember that. CR does change things. I used them also, figured they were real good. But then found Sears filters, and their oil, were cheaper. No internet, no cutting open to see. Fram sort of sounds like something that filters something.

The ST sure looks a lot like a Mo-bile One without red adbv and fancy paint job. USA

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#1994018 - 08/22/10 12:48 PM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: pbm]
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Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 13799
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: pbm

PS: In 1987 Consumer Reports magazine rated Fram the best oil filter. Many old timers began (and continue) to buy Fram without knowing that the internals have had cardboard endcaps for years. These people go into WM and think they are buying a high quality filter. I used Fram until coming to this site a few years ago. You live and you learn.


Wonder if anyone can find that Consumer Report article ... it would be interesting to see how they came up with that conclusion. confused

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#1995866 - 08/24/10 12:58 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: ZeeOSix]
Soobs Offline


Registered: 08/14/09
Posts: 246
Loc: Virginia, USA
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: pbm

PS: In 1987 Consumer Reports magazine rated Fram the best oil filter. Many old timers began (and continue) to buy Fram without knowing that the internals have had cardboard endcaps for years. These people go into WM and think they are buying a high quality filter. I used Fram until coming to this site a few years ago. You live and you learn.


Wonder if anyone can find that Consumer Report article ... it would be interesting to see how they came up with that conclusion. confused


This is from a Demeber 2005 Consumer Reports Q&A:


Oil filter, best

Q. Who makes the best oil filters?

A. It has been some time since our last oil-filter test, but if you stick with a major brand, like WIX or Fram, which meets or exceeds original equipment specs, you will be just fine. Most important is changing your oil on time and using the proper viscosity of oil.


http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/discu...-repair-704/#2a
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#1998069 - 08/25/10 09:46 PM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: Soobs]
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Registered: 07/10/10
Posts: 1235
Loc: Bellingham, WA
Originally Posted By: Soobs
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: pbm

PS: In 1987 Consumer Reports magazine rated Fram the best oil filter. Many old timers began (and continue) to buy Fram without knowing that the internals have had cardboard endcaps for years. These people go into WM and think they are buying a high quality filter. I used Fram until coming to this site a few years ago. You live and you learn.


Wonder if anyone can find that Consumer Report article ... it would be interesting to see how they came up with that conclusion. confused


This is from a Demeber 2005 Consumer Reports Q&A:


Oil filter, best

Q. Who makes the best oil filters?

A. It has been some time since our last oil-filter test, but if you stick with a major brand, like WIX or Fram, which meets or exceeds original equipment specs, you will be just fine. Most important is changing your oil on time and using the proper viscosity of oil.


http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/discu...-repair-704/#2a


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#2005267 - 09/02/10 05:51 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: yaris0128]
ChuckBerry Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 261
Loc: Lafayette, LA
What are the advantages to using the Motorcraft FL 400 S over any 4967 filter? I used a Wix 4967 equivalent for my wife's Yaris and looked at the FL 400 S, it appeared to be too wide and I was concerned about oil escaping. Perhaps if running a synthetic the extra media allows for an extended OCI?


Edited by ChuckBerry (09/02/10 05:52 AM)
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#2005338 - 09/02/10 08:13 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: ChuckBerry]
AuthorEditor Offline


Registered: 05/30/08
Posts: 1908
Loc: New York
Quote:
it appeared to be too wide and I was concerned about oil escaping


What do you mean by that?

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#2006351 - 09/03/10 03:18 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: AuthorEditor]
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Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 261
Loc: Lafayette, LA
Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Quote:
it appeared to be too wide and I was concerned about oil escaping


What do you mean by that?


I was concerned that the passages from the engine to the filter would not match up properly, possibly causing a leak.
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#2147399 - 01/22/11 04:39 PM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: heypete]
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Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 261
Loc: Lafayette, LA
I have tried the larger FL-400S on my wife's Yaris and discovered that the gasket is fully inside the filter plate and the filter threads in perfectly. I would recommend anyone with the 1NZ-FE engine to give a Motorcraft FL-400S a try.
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#2147831 - 01/23/11 12:46 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: ChuckBerry]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12837
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: ChuckBerry
I have tried the larger FL-400S on my wife's Yaris and discovered that the gasket is fully inside the filter plate and the filter threads in perfectly. I would recommend anyone with the 1NZ-FE engine to give a Motorcraft FL-400S a try.


As long as they understand the risk and are out of warranty would be the only additional info I'd suggest.

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#2148038 - 01/23/11 08:37 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: heypete]
ChuckBerry Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 261
Loc: Lafayette, LA
Are you THAT concerned about liability for this site Bill?
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#2148125 - 01/23/11 09:54 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: ChuckBerry]
Bill in Utah Offline



Registered: 11/11/02
Posts: 12837
Loc: UT
Originally Posted By: ChuckBerry
Are you THAT concerned about liability for this site Bill?


I'm concerned that people coming here for facts get the WHOLE story. I'd never want to put another person's vehicle in danger since some people have quite a bit of their income into vehicles, have to depend on their vehicle to get them to work to pay for it.

I'd never tell a friend, family or co-worker to run something that may cause an issue with their vehicle. To blindly state run xx filter that is not spec'd, EVEN recommended by the manufacture of the filter is not wise IMO. Even if it fit or not.

Bill

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#2148183 - 01/23/11 10:46 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: heypete]
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Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 1845
Loc: california
I have that engine in my family "fleet" and would never run the fl-400s size. It is not necessary to out think the engine designers, that's why. The slightly longer camry 4 cyl filter is the same in every way except the length, that is a way to get more filter holding capacity. Toyota recommends the Fl-400s width(not length) size for the v6 camry, for example. Now why would a large company do that when they could just use one kind of filter on both types? I'll just use what I am supposed to.

A million kinds of filters have a 3/4-16 thread, and will fit on the engine.

This is what I mean when I say it is a question for psychology class, not meant to offend. Meaning people just want to do it "my way", so they are the decision maker, not some owner's manual telling them what to do. Not meant in a derogatory way, I have a good dose of this "my way" in myself too. It's only an observation.

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#2148194 - 01/23/11 10:56 AM Re: SuperTech 4967 Cut Open [Re: heypete]
ChuckBerry Offline


Registered: 08/23/10
Posts: 261
Loc: Lafayette, LA
Well, I never said FL-400S is a perfect fit replacement for the Toyota filter, and I explicitly indicated that it was my recommendation, not a factory recommended replacement.

Can we not individually recommend anything off manual without putting big warning stickers on it? Can't people get the context that these are individual opinions? It's not like I said the FL-400S is far and away better than Toyota's recommendation and anyone who isn't running one on their 1NZ-FE is a moron.

Goodness. I feel like I'm being watched.
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