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#1751226 - 01/22/10 03:49 AM Honda Break-in Period
Unearthed Offline

Registered: 12/31/09
Posts: 316
Loc: USA
I'm sure this has been discussed before but I can't find it so I'm just going to ask. I just purchased a 2010 Accord and the manual clearly states there is a break in period for the engine. One of the bullet points in the section states the oil should not be changed until the cars oil monitor says to change it. Over on the Honda forums most people say the monitor does not call for the first oil change until 8-10k miles.

What is everyone's feeling on this? I can't imagine the factory fill is doing anything beneficial after 5k miles...which I think is as long as I am willing to leave it in there.
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#1751228 - 01/22/10 03:55 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: Unearthed]
beast3300 Offline

Registered: 12/24/09
Posts: 3132
Loc: Ohio
This is true, the OLM will say 8-10k for the first service. I am old school and would do a few quick change outs until 10k are accumulated on the car. Something like first change 2-3000, then at 6-7000.
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#1751236 - 01/22/10 04:32 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: beast3300]
crinkles Offline

Registered: 05/28/07
Posts: 5544
Loc: Australia
i think the engineers know what they are doing. at least go 5000 miles. if you have normal service, at least 7500. my dad has an accord euro, went 10,000 on factory fill, heavy traffic, runs like a top and clean as a whistle.
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#1751242 - 01/22/10 04:48 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: crinkles]
VicL Offline

Registered: 07/13/09
Posts: 134
Loc: Georgia
I let my 09 Accord go until the maint minder said 20%, which was around 7 - 8k The oil looked nasty when I drained it, but I think it was because of the additives.

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#1751258 - 01/22/10 06:10 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: VicL]
Familyguy Offline

Registered: 07/19/09
Posts: 1303
Loc: Virginia
I would follow whatever is recommended while it is under warranty. Though I'd definitely switch to synthetic oil on the first oil change.

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#1751272 - 01/22/10 06:50 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: Familyguy]
02zx9r Offline

Registered: 07/05/07
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Im a fan of early oil changes; i like beast's philosophy
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#1751275 - 01/22/10 07:03 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: 02zx9r]
gathermewool Offline

Registered: 01/09/09
Posts: 4852
Loc: New England
I'd follow the maintenance minder.
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#1751278 - 01/22/10 07:14 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: beast3300]
pbm Offline

Registered: 04/19/04
Posts: 6528
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: beast3300
This is true, the OLM will say 8-10k for the first service. I am old school and would do a few quick change outs until 10k are accumulated on the car. Something like first change 2-3000, then at 6-7000.

I agree totally.
I changed the factory oil in my new 2001 Accord @ 2K with no detrimental effects.
I would probably go to 3 or 4K the on the FF and then again 4 or 5K later and then start whatever OCI schedule that you want. Changing the FF early won't hurt anything, IMO.

#1751279 - 01/22/10 07:20 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: pbm]
rclint Offline

Registered: 09/01/08
Posts: 1026
Loc: Georgia
I wouldn't second guess the people who built, tested, etc this car/engine. If Honda felt the need to go so far as to bullet point, and stress the service of the first oil change I think it would be best to follow Honda's advice.

#1751285 - 01/22/10 07:29 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: rclint]
JHZR2 Offline

Registered: 12/14/02
Posts: 38655
Loc: New Jersey
As I recall, the Honda fill is high moly- want to keep it in.

I'd try to secure schaeffer's or another high moly oil to run the next oci, especially if changing prior to the olm.

#1751302 - 01/22/10 07:56 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: JHZR2]
mpvue Offline

Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 2695
Loc: Easton, PA
why do people always second guess the people who DESIGNED THE CAR?
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#1751304 - 01/22/10 07:58 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: JHZR2]
HyperJinx Offline

Registered: 06/23/07
Posts: 348
Loc: TN
There is nothing wrong with following the instructions in the owners manual. I however, do it a little different. On a new car I will change the oil/filter at 1000 miles. I do so to get rid of the crud and stuff that they assemble the engine with and anything else that might be in the oil. I will change the oil/filter again at 3000 miles and start my normal oci routine.
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#1751330 - 01/22/10 08:29 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: HyperJinx]
bepperb Offline

Registered: 01/10/08
Posts: 4954
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
"why do people always second guess the people who DESIGNED THE CAR?"

Well, the people who designed the car had to make recommendations for the entire buying population. The people here at BITOG don't exactly represent that. So when Honda recommends something like, say, replacing the filter every 20,000 miles they are doing that to lower maintenance costs for the general buyer. People here who are generally anal about maintenance certainly won't hurt anything by changing it every oil change.

As stated, the Honda assembly lube is loaded with Moly. If it were mine, I'd keep it at least a few thousand miles but probably not run the whole OLM on it.

Edited by bepperb (01/22/10 08:29 AM)
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#1751334 - 01/22/10 08:32 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: bepperb]
440Magnum Offline

Registered: 02/01/09
Posts: 8404
Loc: Texas
You'll hear tons of people say that Honda uses super-duper moly-loaded break-in oil and that if you drain it early you'll ruin the car forever. And there are UOAs that show little or no excessive wear metals after doing that (of course UOAs can't detect LARGE wear particles either).

Personally, I can't stand the thought of break-in [censored] grinding around in an engine for that long, and have never had an engine fail to go 200,000 miles or better after breaking it in with multiple short-interval oil changes before 5000 miles.
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#1751366 - 01/22/10 08:51 AM Re: Honda Break-in Period [Re: 440Magnum]
hate2work Offline

Registered: 09/04/08
Posts: 4617
Loc: Western Washington

The bottom line is that it really won't matter whether or not you change the FF early. There have been literally hundreds of thousands of Hondas that have run the FF til 8-10k and they still go 200k miles plus. The vast majority of new Honda buyers simply follow the OM/dealer guidelines.

Fortunately, that also means that if you want to change the FF early there will be no detrimental effects. Many people, myself included, feel better getting that initial fill out of there early. The thought of leftover metallic particles grinding away in the engine is not something I'm willing to live with, so I always dump the FF around 1k miles. It makes me sleep better, so I do it.

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