Recent Topics
Careless assembly of a factory Camaro V6?
by Ed_Flecko
02/21/17 10:30 AM
Hot water
by supton
02/21/17 10:11 AM
Best paint for wrought-iron railings
by Exit32
02/21/17 10:05 AM
Iphone updates
by grampi
02/21/17 09:48 AM
Necessity of Copper removal from the bore
by NissanHauler
02/21/17 09:31 AM
2015 kia optima turbo cabin filter blue?
by Grambo
02/21/17 09:02 AM
Recommendation on bulk P/S fluid for Honda/Acura
by redhat
02/21/17 08:52 AM
Thoughts on a '06 Buick Lucerne
by Mantooth
02/21/17 08:26 AM
Anyone have a FLIR ONE thermal imaging camera?
by daves66nova
02/21/17 08:19 AM
RedLine 5W30, 6k mi OCI, 54.7k mi, Cadillac CTS-V
by Emperors6
02/21/17 08:15 AM
Outdoor LED Flood Lights??
by doitmyself
02/21/17 08:03 AM
Old stock Joe Gibbs oil
by Jetfccrew
02/21/17 07:08 AM
Grease analysis?
by Jolly_Rogers
02/21/17 06:04 AM
Torquing Acura Crank Bolt
by artbuc
02/21/17 03:50 AM
RAM 1500 3.6l filter
by SavagePatch
02/20/17 11:49 PM
PPHM = thinner but less burn off?
by lukejo
02/20/17 10:54 PM
Replacement Front Struts
by garageman402
02/20/17 10:52 PM
2003 Dodge Caravan with rusty looking coolant
by Oldtom
02/20/17 10:28 PM
Cleaning bronze bore brushes and wire brushes
by Triple_Se7en
02/20/17 09:10 PM
Where can I get oil sample testing done?
by FlyingTexan
02/20/17 08:45 PM
Newest Members
Balou, benkovic, Jetfccrew, John7109, trentreznor321
60593 Registered Users
Who's Online
92 registered (Bandito440, 2civics, 2015_PSD, Alex_V, Alfred_B, 7 invisible), 2209 Guests and 10 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
60593 Members
66 Forums
261360 Topics
4311179 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Topic Options
#1655696 - 11/02/09 04:08 PM Any API-SG compatible oils?
Antigen Offline

Registered: 11/02/09
Posts: 19
Loc: Asia, California
Hi Guys. I have been trying to look for this topic but I couldn't seem to find it. I'm sorry if this is/was a redundant topic. Anyhow, I have a scooter. It's a Kymco Super 8. Which means the transmission is separate. It has a CVT.

The manual says to use API:SG which as far as I can tell is already obsolete.

Just acquired this about a month ago, And I am still trying to break it in using MOTOMAN'S break-in method. I am currently using API-SM MOBIL SUPER XHP 15W-40 mineral oil. But I've been reading and it a lot of sites said that API:SM is not good for air-cooled engines.

I guess the question is what I can I substitute for an API:SG? Or should I just continue using API:SM oils?
My oil change is due this week.

I am so tempted to use our Valvoline All Fleet Premium Heavyu Duty Diesel Engine Oil 15W-40 API" CI-4/SL. I've read guys using Delo.

I would use motorcycle oils, But in our area, the only motorcycle oils available are 20w50, and good brands are hard to come about. Automotive oil has absolutely no availability problems.

#1655750 - 11/02/09 04:52 PM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: Antigen]
ARCOgraphite Offline

Registered: 05/17/09
Posts: 10488
Loc: N.H, U.S.A.
Use a motorbike oil not a pass car oil. They are usually sj - close enough AFA additisation goes.
2014 Nissan Rogue S CVT, OC#4 24210mi-Castrol Magnetec 5W30+ Fram Toughguard Filter 7317
2015 Forester 6MT 5Door, OC#7 50318mi-PEAK 0W20+Subaru Filter

#1656139 - 11/02/09 10:28 PM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: ARCOgraphite]
CSM746 Offline

Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 45
Loc: Michigan
Using your HDEO 15W40 will work out fine. The diesel oils have add packs that include what we want in motorcycles and are known to be robust in the various mainstream brands as well as the boutique oils. And the oils are less money that the MC oils which is marketing at it's best. I run Mobil Delvac 15W40 in two R1200 BMWs and it is just right, especially this time of year up north. Just follow the recommended change intervals and all will be good.

#1656257 - 11/03/09 01:33 AM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: CSM746]
chevrofreak Offline

Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 4941
Loc: Billings, MT
With CVT you aren't going to run into a lot of the problems that motorcycles have. Less shearing, no worry about clutch slippage from the oil being energy conserving. You could run just about any oil in that thing and it would do fine.
I <3 Red Line oil

#1656670 - 11/03/09 12:08 PM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: chevrofreak]
Antigen Offline

Registered: 11/02/09
Posts: 19
Loc: Asia, California
So, I guess the valvoline all fleet heavy duty diesel engine oil would do? It says on the back that it's also for gasoline engines.

It's API:C4-4/SL

#1656720 - 11/03/09 12:56 PM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: Antigen]
RWEST Offline

Registered: 10/25/07
Posts: 1373
Loc: Somerset County, PA
Yeah, that thing's from Korea or someplace where they run 'em on reconstituted sewage or something. It'll love you for the Valvoline!! thumbsup
"even if you're paranoid, they can still be following you" hide

"live so the preacher doesn't have to lie at your funeral" wink

#1657156 - 11/03/09 07:52 PM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: Antigen]
CSM746 Offline

Registered: 11/09/08
Posts: 45
Loc: Michigan
yes, that will work fine...I use Delvac as stated but your Valvoline has the following add pack:

ZDDP 1270 ppm
Calcium 3964 ppm
Magnesium 14 ppm
Boron 148 ppm
Moly 112 ppm

You can find pour point, flash point, etc. on their site, but this is a robust oil

Edited by CSM746 (11/03/09 07:56 PM)

#1661746 - 11/07/09 01:05 AM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: CSM746]
Antigen Offline

Registered: 11/02/09
Posts: 19
Loc: Asia, California
Thanks for the input guys. =) I already put the valvoline in. Works like a charm. I'm just using this to break the scooter in.

I will later on switch on Royal Purple XPR or MaxCycle, Which ever is available after the break-in. Like what I said, Good stuff is hard to come about in the area where I am currently residing.

Everything is Castrol, And I hate Castrol. Just had bad experiences with is. There are other inferior brands like top1, Zic, Whiz and the likes. You know what I'm talking about. =)

#1661754 - 11/07/09 01:34 AM Re: Any API-SG compatible oils? [Re: Antigen]
chevrofreak Offline

Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 4941
Loc: Billings, MT
That Valvoline is probably a darned good oil. It's the older CI-4/SL spec, so it should protect very well. There isn't much reason to spend the money to buy the bike specific oils.
I <3 Red Line oil