Recent Topics
Mobil 1 AFE 0W20 Walmart $19.98 before rebate
by lukejo
11/23/17 09:40 PM
Whats the consensus on Castrol EDGE EP?
by AntDeek
11/23/17 08:48 PM
Why, just why?
by StevieC
11/23/17 08:07 PM
I want to replace AAA - response time is terrible!
by kpatter
11/23/17 06:58 PM
Wright tools
by Donald
11/23/17 05:25 PM
UltraPure Trumpet Valve OIl
by Al
11/23/17 05:19 PM
TV Types & Features Explained.
by StevieC
11/23/17 04:57 PM
Super Knock
by bigj_16
11/23/17 04:52 PM
Fumoto Thanksgiving Sale 20% Off
by craigq
11/23/17 02:39 PM
Oreillys super start battery?
by ron350
11/23/17 02:28 PM
No Turkey this year
by Duffyjr
11/23/17 01:23 PM
Autolite 6607 C&P
by FordBroncoVWJeta
11/23/17 01:08 PM
Cleaned Intake Now Revs Are Limited
by cb450sc
11/23/17 11:50 AM
Napa Gold Cut open, W I D E pleat spacing
by 5AcresAndAFool
11/23/17 11:35 AM
API SN Plus Update?
by bigj_16
11/23/17 11:31 AM
EPC code/illumination on New VW Jetta
by thorromig
11/23/17 10:53 AM
New PP 5W30 DEXOS 1 Gen 2
by ChrisD46
11/23/17 10:48 AM
Goodyear Assurance Comfortred Touring
by reemoe2
11/23/17 10:35 AM
Detailed the XJ
by HoosierJeeper
11/23/17 10:35 AM
Walmart also has some stuff you Castrol users
by JohnnyJohnson
11/23/17 09:55 AM
Newest Members
deckm00, Cblove91, CarGuy99, bobcat, Skier
63481 Registered Users
Who's Online
67 registered (Bandito440, AntDeek, 4WD, AZjeff, andyd, AandPDan, 4 invisible), 1466 Guests and 16 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
63481 Members
66 Forums
274227 Topics
4558416 Posts

Max Online: 3590 @ 01/24/17 08:07 PM
Donate to BITOG
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#1475106 - 05/24/09 05:14 AM Storing gasoline indoors?
SecondMonkey Offline


Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 931
Loc: OR
I recently rented out a large industrial shop space. I would like to have my own supply of gas there on hand. Is it safe to store gasoline indoors (big shop) in a 55 gallon drum? I was reading the zoning details and it specifically says storing fuel indoors is legal.

If I can, should I use a steel drum or HDPE? And, is there some way I can ground them to prevent static shock?
_________________________
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

Top
#1475110 - 05/24/09 05:23 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: SecondMonkey]
eljefino Offline


Registered: 06/15/03
Posts: 31703
Loc: ME
I don't have all the answers but if you do nothing else vent near the thing!

Around here you see paints and other VOCs stored in a separate outside shed rather consistently... IDK if it's OSHA or EPA making it happen, or perhaps another entity.

Is this the warehouse with the bad electricals? I wouldn't be homebrew grounding anything to anything until that gets figured out!

Top
#1475123 - 05/24/09 07:02 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: eljefino]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 11605
Loc: Middlesex County CT
I'd be more concerned about safe transfer. In the Air Force refueling a plane required a minimum of 3 grounds, plane to ground, truck to ground, truck to plane, and this was for fuel that is less volatile than gasoline. A static discharge between the pump you may be inserting and the drum is all you need ....

So, grounding the drum is ONE of the things you need to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tYO4jvnJHw&feature=related
_________________________
2004 Prius; 85K ASL
2003 Echo > 4.1x10^5 miles; 5w-50
2006 B2300;117K;ALM


Was driving an ox cart; Now on the USS Enterprise

Top
#1475204 - 05/24/09 09:38 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: simple_gifts]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 16480
Loc: Ontario, Canada
We regularly fill up a huge drum at a station and bring it home for all the outdoor yard equipment. Grounding is must and we have a pair of old jumper cables we use for this. One end is clamped on the rim of the Drum and the other is clipped to a thick ground wire connected to the fuse panels neutral line.
_________________________
'15 Dodge Journey - 80,000 KM's - SSO 5w20
'06 Hyundai Santa Fe - 535,000km - SSO 0w30 (R.I.P)

Top
#1475208 - 05/24/09 09:41 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: StevieC]
FiremarshalRob Offline


Registered: 03/25/08
Posts: 553
Loc: Baton Rouge, LA
That would make me rather nervous.
_________________________
I have a tendency to be rather OCD regarding my vehicle maintenance.
2008 Nissan Altima 2.5S
2006 Silverado 5.3L
1996 1.3L Geo Metro

Top
#1475209 - 05/24/09 09:42 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: FiremarshalRob]
StevieC Offline


Registered: 08/21/08
Posts: 16480
Loc: Ontario, Canada
We have done it for over 20 years and never a problem... What makes you nervous?
_________________________
'15 Dodge Journey - 80,000 KM's - SSO 5w20
'06 Hyundai Santa Fe - 535,000km - SSO 0w30 (R.I.P)

Top
#1475253 - 05/24/09 10:34 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: StevieC]
simple_gifts Offline


Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 11605
Loc: Middlesex County CT
When dealing with dispensing and storing large amounts of gasoline, I would avoid anecdotal evidence, you won't hear from people's whose techniques didn't work.

Having dealt will electrically fired munitions for 15 years, grounding of a person is equally important.
_________________________
2004 Prius; 85K ASL
2003 Echo > 4.1x10^5 miles; 5w-50
2006 B2300;117K;ALM


Was driving an ox cart; Now on the USS Enterprise

Top
#1475582 - 05/24/09 06:08 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: simple_gifts]
Drew2000 Offline


Registered: 11/16/06
Posts: 994
Loc: Long Island, NY
If you had a fire in the shop, you could probably kiss your fire insurance policy goodbye. Indoor drum storage of gasoline probably violates many state and local building codes

I would never store gasoline indoors. Either get a proper double-walled gas dispensing system, or at the very least, get a sturdy outbuilding shed and store your drums as far away as possible from other structures.

http://www.convault.com/index.html
_________________________
17Escape 2.0
11Mustang GT
06Tribute
05Honda ST1300
03Yamaha FZ1
93Regal
91Explorer
87F250
85FJ1100
83CB650


Top
#1475607 - 05/24/09 07:03 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: Drew2000]
SecondMonkey Offline


Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 931
Loc: OR
 Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
I'd be more concerned about safe transfer. In the Air Force refueling a plane required a minimum of 3 grounds, plane to ground, truck to ground, truck to plane, and this was for fuel that is less volatile than gasoline. A static discharge between the pump you may be inserting and the drum is all you need ....

Do you ever ground your rubber tired vehicle before filling it with gas? The air force stands to lose BILLIONS of dollars in a fire, I'd lose a couple cordless drills.

Really I see this as no different than driving a truck with two full 20 gallon tanks and parking it inside. In terms of fire, it's exactly the same. Nobody ever grounds their pickup truck before filling...or parking.

 Originally Posted By: Drew2000
If you had a fire in the shop, you could probably kiss your fire insurance policy goodbye. Indoor drum storage of gasoline probably violates many state and local building codes

Did you miss the part where I said I know with 100% certainty it is perfectly legal? That includes building code, zoning law, and even my landlord.

And, BTW - I already have SEVEN fire extinguishers mounted on the walls.

Top
#1475618 - 05/24/09 07:22 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: SecondMonkey]
Drew2000 Offline


Registered: 11/16/06
Posts: 994
Loc: Long Island, NY
Yes, I did miss the zoning part, but just because it's not expressly forbidden, doesn't mean it's a great idea either.

Difference with vehicles is they have a vapor recovery system to handle the fumes from evaporation. Do as you please, your mind already seems made up.
_________________________
17Escape 2.0
11Mustang GT
06Tribute
05Honda ST1300
03Yamaha FZ1
93Regal
91Explorer
87F250
85FJ1100
83CB650


Top
#1475662 - 05/24/09 08:14 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: Drew2000]
SecondMonkey Offline


Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 931
Loc: OR
 Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Yes, I did miss the zoning part, but just because it's not expressly forbidden, doesn't mean it's a great idea either.

It's not just "not forbidden", but the zoning specifically addresses storing fuel indoors. I'm in an industrial park.

 Originally Posted By: Drew2000
Difference with vehicles is they have a vapor recovery system to handle the fumes from evaporation. Do as you please, your mind already seems made up.

Well, that's why I asked "what's the safest way to do it" in my first post. I'm not asking for anyone's permission, but simply what the safest way to do it is.
_________________________
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

Top
#1475733 - 05/24/09 09:11 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: SecondMonkey]
tom slick Online   sleepy


Registered: 05/26/03
Posts: 9206
Loc: Central Coast, Calif.
remember that you need to vent that amount of fuel, where are those vapors from your makeshift tank going to go?
_________________________
You get what you pay for...
So keep in mind how much you paid for this advice.

Top
#1475972 - 05/25/09 07:20 AM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: tom slick]
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 9112
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
Why don't you ask the local fire department & the insurance company? All this guessing is not the way to go if you have problems.
_________________________
CX5 Touring 2.5L :-)

Top
#1476294 - 05/25/09 02:28 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: Eddie]
SecondMonkey Offline


Registered: 10/09/07
Posts: 931
Loc: OR
 Originally Posted By: Eddie
Why don't you ask the local fire department & the insurance company? All this guessing is not the way to go if you have problems.


I HIGHLY doubt either of those places are going to explain how to store gas. It has nothing to do with them, and further more, is none of their business.

I thought I could get some helpful answers about this on a board dedicated to fuel and oil but obviously I was wrong.

 Originally Posted By: tom slick
where are those vapors from your makeshift tank going to go?

What is "makeshift" about it? Do you think I'm the only one storing fuel in drums? Why do you think they call them OIL drums? I also know for a fact that basically EVERY high octane race fuel seller sells it by the 55 gallon drum.

Furthermore, if there ever was a fire, it doesn't matter whether you have 5 gallons or 50 - they will both burn way out of your control.(how many of you have a gas can in the garage?)
_________________________
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

Top
#1476341 - 05/25/09 03:21 PM Re: Storing gasoline indoors? [Re: SecondMonkey]
tom slick Online   sleepy


Registered: 05/26/03
Posts: 9206
Loc: Central Coast, Calif.
I'm just trying to help you out, Maybe your plan isn't as simple as filling any 'ol 55 gallon barrel and reaping the benefits of on-site fuel storage.

Is your OIL drum certified for use with fuel? Oil and fuel are not the same. Fuel must be stored in an approved container, even it is 1 gallon. Maybe DOT approval on any drum is all that is needed?

I know the EPA explicitly says not to store fuel indoors because it has to be vented. In fact it is supposed to be 50' away from your structure. When stored in barrels I've only seen it in a hazmat shelter. just because the local speed shop has a barrel of race gas sitting in the shop doesn't make it safe or legal.

some homework for you.
http://www.purdue.edu/dp/envirosoft/fuel/src/fireexp.htm
_________________________
You get what you pay for...
So keep in mind how much you paid for this advice.

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >