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Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated

Posted By: ad244

Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/27/19 07:15 PM

Picked up a Gallon last night from the local wallyworld. Sure enough its MA2 rated for our bikes. It may just what we have been waiting for....

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Posted By: benjy

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/27/19 09:37 PM

a lot of happy users with the conventional 15-40 so the fake synthetic 15-40 should be even better on the cheap!
Posted By: krismoriah72

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/27/19 09:43 PM

Unobtainable here.
Posted By: carviewsonic

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/27/19 10:08 PM

I'll be keeping an eye out at WM for this stuff, not here yet. Lots of bikers happy with the T6 5W-40, but I would prefer the 15W-40 for the shared sump.
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/27/19 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by krismoriah72
Unobtainable here.


Soon Friend.

Oil change coming up!
Posted By: Reddy45

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/27/19 11:29 PM

Even at retail price, it's cheaper than a "dedicated" MC oil. Hope it performs well.
Posted By: blupupher

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/28/19 02:39 AM

Never seen it.
Posted By: troop

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/28/19 02:42 AM

I was about to pick up a gallon, but couldn't resist the last 7 quarts of M1 4T 10w-40 for $5/qt. Valvoline 10w40 dino m/c oil was on clearance at $2.50/quart..[Linked Image]
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Posted By: krismoriah72

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 02/28/19 11:50 PM

My local Walmart had 4 jugs today (they did not yesterday). I picked one up.. going to give it a shot in my 2019 RZR turbo.
Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/03/19 05:47 AM

Don't have the full synthetic 15w40 here in Colorado at Walmart's..... only this.....

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Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/06/19 05:21 PM

Anybody else running this yet?

I'm tempted to dump my T5 Blend and test it out
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 12:46 AM

Finish out the OCI with the T5 15w40. It turned in a great UOA in my ZRX1200 over the course of 3,700 miles in terms of staying in grade and wear numbers.

I want to see the add-pack numbers on the new T6 we are discussing. Haven’t found it at my Wally World yet, look forward to seeing it show up.
Posted By: Goodkat

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 03:43 PM

I just saw this oil the other day and I was surprised. I've been using Delvac 1300 in my VStrom 1000 with great results but I thought I've been reading that HDEOs have been changing recipes? This is making me nervous about using them.

I live in Michigan and it's cold but I really don't start riding until it gets in the high forties. The Suzuki 1000 v twin can suffer clutch shudder and idle hanger and the heavier oil is supposed to help. I may have give this T6 15w40 a try.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 04:12 PM

My main concern is the zinc and phosphorus numbers. Bikes are still flat tappet for the most part, 1100-1200ppm (or more) is where I would hang my hat for zinc and 100 ppm less for phosphorus. Getting down in the sub-1000 ppm range just isn’t where I want to be.

With that said, can anyone tell me the main job of boron? Does it make up for lower zinc levels as an anti-wear, is it a better cleaning agent than anti-wear, etc. I have read the info on the forum, but am curious if there is one function it does more/better than other functions?

Posted By: jeff78

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Goodkat
The Suzuki 1000 v twin can suffer clutch shudder and idle hanger and the heavier oil is supposed to help.


As I understand it, the clutch shudder on these bikes is due to worn primary drive (clutch basket) damper springs.
Posted By: Goodkat

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 06:23 PM

I think you're right. Mine doesn't suffer from clutch shudder but it does have the slight idle hammer which can start early and some have noticed it after the first 600 oil change.

I read that Rekluse recommends HDEO 15-40 in these applications and that 10w-40 synthetics can make it seem worse.

There are a couple people or companies that sell modified baskets that remedy the issues and it's beyond me why Suzuki won't just fix it.
Posted By: RHALL

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 09:40 PM

Found some in my local Wal Mart today. I’ll try in in my 1000 VStrom on my next oil change.
Posted By: Goodkat

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/07/19 11:14 PM

My Strom 1000 is getting it too but I won't be able to test it until April at the earliest.

I don't even see this oil on their website yet.

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Posted By: JeepWJ19

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/08/19 02:11 AM

You guys are getting me excited! I hope my Walmart stocks it soon, we are in a heavy diesel truck area of PA!

I've been mixing Valvoline MC conventional oil of 20w50 and 10w40 for my bike to combat the sheering.

For those with shared sump and using T5 15w40 how is that? I thought it wasn't rated JASO MA?

Could my '02 Honda CBR 600 F4i use T5 without a problem? I get tired of the high priced MC oils
Posted By: troop

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/08/19 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by JeepWJ19
You guys are getting me excited! I hope my Walmart stocks it soon, we are in a heavy diesel truck area of PA!

I've been mixing Valvoline MC conventional oil of 20w50 and 10w40 for my bike to combat the sheering.

For those with shared sump and using T5 15w40 how is that? I thought it wasn't rated JASO MA?

Could my '02 Honda CBR 600 F4i use T5 without a problem? I get tired of the high priced MC oils


T5 15w-40 IS NOT JASO MA/MA2 rated. T4/T6 is. Why ? Dunno ....
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/08/19 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by troop
Originally Posted by JeepWJ19
You guys are getting me excited! I hope my Walmart stocks it soon, we are in a heavy diesel truck area of PA!

I've been mixing Valvoline MC conventional oil of 20w50 and 10w40 for my bike to combat the sheering.

For those with shared sump and using T5 15w40 how is that? I thought it wasn't rated JASO MA?

Could my '02 Honda CBR 600 F4i use T5 without a problem? I get tired of the high priced MC oils


T5 15w-40 IS NOT JASO MA/MA2 rated. T4/T6 is. Why ? Dunno ....


Because it can't meet something outlined in this bulletin.

https://www.penriteoil.com.au/asset...etween%20JASO%20MA%20and%20JASO%20MB.pdf
Posted By: JeepWJ19

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/09/19 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by troop
Originally Posted by JeepWJ19
You guys are getting me excited! I hope my Walmart stocks it soon, we are in a heavy diesel truck area of PA!

I've been mixing Valvoline MC conventional oil of 20w50 and 10w40 for my bike to combat the sheering.

For those with shared sump and using T5 15w40 how is that? I thought it wasn't rated JASO MA?

Could my '02 Honda CBR 600 F4i use T5 without a problem? I get tired of the high priced MC oils


T5 15w-40 IS NOT JASO MA/MA2 rated. T4/T6 is. Why ? Dunno ....


Because it can't meet something outlined in this bulletin.

https://www.penriteoil.com.au/asset...etween%20JASO%20MA%20and%20JASO%20MB.pdf


I won't risk it. I wonder if I should go back to rotella T4 15w40 vs the Brew of 20w50+10w40...
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/09/19 03:27 AM

Fellas, I ran T5 15w40 in the ZRX1200, it was a great oil. 145-150 hp and 85 ft/lbs at the wheel, with torque to burn at about any engine rpm. Did not shear out of grade in 3,700 miles. The “non” JASO MA stuff is fear mongering at best. Look at the used oil analysis, there’s nothing in it any different from ones that do have the JASO rating. Use it with confidence. However, with the 15w40 T6, it may/should do even better on shear. Shear is important, but z/p should be up there as well for me to use it.

T5 15w40 analysis, second one in from the right. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...1200-mobil-1-10w40-4t-racing#Post4865603
Also see M1 15w50, Catrol dino 20w50 4T, Valvoline 10w40 ATV, Mystic JT8 15w50, Mobil1 10w40 4T.
Posted By: troop

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/09/19 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by troop
Originally Posted by JeepWJ19
You guys are getting me excited! I hope my Walmart stocks it soon, we are in a heavy diesel truck area of PA!

I've been mixing Valvoline MC conventional oil of 20w50 and 10w40 for my bike to combat the sheering.

For those with shared sump and using T5 15w40 how is that? I thought it wasn't rated JASO MA?

Could my '02 Honda CBR 600 F4i use T5 without a problem? I get tired of the high priced MC oils


T5 15w-40 IS NOT JASO MA/MA2 rated. T4/T6 is. Why ? Dunno ....


Because it can't meet something outlined in this bulletin.

https://www.penriteoil.com.au/asset...etween%20JASO%20MA%20and%20JASO%20MB.pdf


I just wonder what about T5 doesn't meet JASO MA/MA2 requirements when their dino T4/full syn T6 does? As Bonz states, no doubt it'll be good, but for those wanting to comply with mfr's warranty specs, it's a no go. And yes, I'm all aware Magnusson-Moss/warranty criteria ...
Posted By: Jeepwm69

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/11/19 07:11 PM

I just picked up 10 2.5 gallon jugs of T5 ($11 each), and 20 quarts of Valvoline 10W40 4 stroke Motorcycle oil ($1 each) at Wallyworld on clearance.

I have about 20 Honda ATV's from mid 80's to present and have been using T6 5W40 in them with good results. I've always been scared to run the T5 since it's not marked as JASO MA rated.

In for more comments.
Posted By: JordanR

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/16/19 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bonz
Fellas, I ran T5 15w40 in the ZRX1200, it was a great oil. 145-150 hp and 85 ft/lbs at the wheel, with torque to burn at about any engine rpm. Did not shear out of grade in 3,700 miles. The “non” JASO MA stuff is fear mongering at best. Look at the used oil analysis, there’s nothing in it any different from ones that do have the JASO rating. Use it with confidence. However, with the 15w40 T6, it may/should do even better on shear. Shear is important, but z/p should be up there as well for me to use it.

T5 15w40 analysis, second one in from the right. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...1200-mobil-1-10w40-4t-racing#Post4865603
Also see M1 15w50, Catrol dino 20w50 4T, Valvoline 10w40 ATV, Mystic JT8 15w50, Mobil1 10w40 4T.



I've also got a ZRX (stock) and have been using Delvac 1 ESP 5W40. Why would anyone running a water cooled street bike use a 15W rather than a 5W or 0W? The advantage of lower viscosity (fast circulation) at cold start is a major plus. If you're worried about shear, why not change the 5W oil 1000 miles sooner and get the cold start advantages? For someone living in an extremely hot climate or putting on 20K miles or more annually, the case for the 5W is less convincing.
Posted By: alarmguy

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/16/19 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by JordanR
Originally Posted by Bonz
Fellas, I ran T5 15w40 in the ZRX1200, it was a great oil. 145-150 hp and 85 ft/lbs at the wheel, with torque to burn at about any engine rpm.
Also see M1 15w50, Catrol dino 20w50 4T, Valvoline 10w40 ATV, Mystic JT8 15w50, Mobil1 10w40 4T.



I've also got a ZRX (stock) and have been using Delvac 1 ESP 5W40. Why would anyone running a water cooled street bike use a 15W rather than a 5W or 0W? The advantage of lower viscosity (fast circulation) at cold start is a major plus. If you're worried about shear, why not change the 5W oil 1000 miles sooner and get the cold start advantages? For someone living in an extremely hot climate or putting on 20K miles or more annually, the case for the 5W is less convincing.


To answer your question, there is no cold start advantage of a 0w or 5W oil over a 15W in temperatures roughly over 45 degrees.
So there is no "major plus" 0w40, 5w40 and 15w/40 will all flow the same in above freezing temperatures and certainly above 50F.

There is a MAJOR negative to using a 5 or 0/40 oil, it will shear fast and every time your engine is up to full operating temperature you will be running an out of spec oil that might be closer to something in the upper 20s or low 30s. .

Use what the owners manual recommends, they built the product and know best.
Posted By: sw99

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/17/19 02:22 PM

I run the T5 10w30 in my 130 hp SxS with a wet clutch. Zero issues so far and the clutching has not changed.
Posted By: alarmguy

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/17/19 03:06 PM

The 15/40 should be a slam dunk for people using 5/40 as the 5/40 is garbage in shared sump bikes and not recommended by most metric bike manufacturers.
15/40 and you are good to go!
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/17/19 06:03 PM

BMW is calling for 5w40 in their bikes, my buddy has a liquid cooled R1200RT. Honda seems to be leaning toward 10w30 (I feel it’s a worse option than 5w40, personally, because it will be shearing down to a 20wt) from a “suggestion” stanpoint.

Alarm guy is calling it correctly. I ran 5w40 T6 in my ZRX1200, for a 5360 mile OCI. Here is the link that shows it, far right column. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4371237/1/kawasaki-zrx1200-various-uoas. Granted Kawasaki specs a 5000 mile OCI, and I stretched it out just a bit. Sheared down considerably, 14.2 cSt to begin with from what I can find.

Here is the link for M1 10w40 4T, first column on the left, 4603 mile OCI. Held up well in terms of shear considering it starts at 13.4 cSt to begin with. https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...1200-mobil-1-10w40-4t-racing#Post4865603

Look on either link, for the T5 15w40 syn blend column. Only a 3700 mile OCI, held up really well.

With all that said, wear numbers in the grand scheme are what we are after. IMO, viscosity retention is what helps with shift quality and the closer the oil is to a 40wt or higher for as long as possible, the better it shifts from my experience.

Feel like it’s time to settle down and run an oil for more than one OCI. smile. Currently running M1 20w50 VTwin, and now straight 40wt VR1 seems to have some legitimacy as an oil from one of the more recent threads. Then new 15W40 T6 is on the table as well once it shows up in my Walmart.

FWIW, saw 10w30 Supertech ATV oil at Walmart today, $5.76/qt. Haven’t seen the MC 20w50 Supertech yet.
Posted By: Degreaser

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/17/19 06:56 PM

I'm not aware of any difference between Rotella T4 15w40 and T5 15w40 semi-syn blend,, I mean, T4 has the JASO MA markings on the jug sure, and not so for T5, but to me it seems like it's only about the marketing of a product, and to me both are the same oil, well ok maybe the T5 gets steam cleaned a bit more in the burners than the T4 does and thereby can name the T5 as a semi-syn, dunno, but to me it's all about the marketing of the products, I mean these big oil companies don't really see the motorcycle market as their main market focus right? it's just their niche market, to me anyways, and they already have a T4 marked as JASO MA and the T6 is JASO marked also, so what do they actually benefit from the extra efforts and associated costs of marking the T5 jugs that too? my point is I don't see any harm in using a T5 in a shared sump motorcycle, but i'm open to learning, my 3 cents worth
Posted By: Degreaser

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/17/19 07:06 PM

actually, I would not be shocked at all to find out that this new Rotella T6 15w40 is a re-jugged T5, ok flame suit on
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/17/19 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Degreaser
actually, I would not be shocked at all to find out that this new Rotella T6 15w40 is a re-jugged T5, ok flame suit on


If it was the same exact oil as T5 which meets JASO, then T6 would also meet JASO and have it marked on the bottle. Apparently they either didn't bother to test T6, or they did test it and it didn't pass the test requirements.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/18/19 03:14 AM

Reality is the T5 15w40 doesn’t have a JASO MA rating. However, common logic shows and says it is an HDEO that meets the same specs as other HDEO’s that are JASO rated (I.E. it will work well). I ran it without an issue and others have as well. Guys get hung up on the rating, when from actual use and UOA comparison, it will be a great oil with no downside. For those guys, not using it would be a good decision in order to sleep at night. Others can use it and have a good oil that held up as well as anything based on my UOA.

Degreaser, based on actual use of T5 15w40, you are very correct to say it will work in shared sumps with no problems.

Motorcycles aren’t their main market, but they also know most guys can and will read between the lines. Shell is happy to take a good bit of $$ in sales away from motorcycle specific oils relatively speaking.

If the T6 15w40 holds up as well viscosity-wise and shift quality-wise as Mobil 1 10w40 4T did, over an almost 5000 mile OCI, I will be all over it as long as Z and P numbers are decent (1100-1200 Z, 1000-1100 P or better). Mobil 1 is not the least expensive or the most expensive MC oil, however if I have to change the new T6 every 3,000 miles because shift quality is falling off, the potential lower pricing means little.

Time will tell, look forward to an analysis from one of the early adopters.

Posted By: krismoriah72

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/18/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Degreaser
actually, I would not be shocked at all to find out that this new Rotella T6 15w40 is a re-jugged T5, ok flame suit on


If it was the same exact oil as T5 which meets JASO, then T6 would also meet JASO and have it marked on the bottle. Apparently they either didn't bother to test T6, or they did test it and it didn't pass the test requirements.


Not sure what you mean by this.. the first post of this thread "Sure enough its MA2 rated for our bikes. It may just what we have been waiting for"
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/18/19 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by krismoriah72
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by Degreaser
actually, I would not be shocked at all to find out that this new Rotella T6 15w40 is a re-jugged T5, ok flame suit on


If it was the same exact oil as T5 which meets JASO, then T6 would also meet JASO and have it marked on the bottle. Apparently they either didn't bother to test T6, or they did test it and it didn't pass the test requirements.


Not sure what you mean by this.. the first post of this thread "Sure enough its MA2 rated for our bikes. It may just what we have been waiting for"


I was going by what Degreaser posted sbove, but got my comment mixed up. I should have said:

"If T5 was the same exact oil as T6 which meets JASO, then T5 would also meet JASO and have it marked on the bottle. "
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/18/19 11:26 PM

Has anybody body else been using this oil yet?
Posted By: alarmguy

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/19/19 10:56 AM

T6 15w40 available near me now.
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/26/19 04:28 PM

So I finally ran this in my old Honda which is spec'd for either 10w-40 or 20w-50 depending on the weather and the bike runs better on this oil than T4 or T5 which it has always been a little rattily using. If your bike falls into this spec, give this oil a try.
Posted By: Truckedup

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 03/26/19 06:55 PM

I believe the JASO rating is up to the manufacturer...? I'm looking at a year old bottle of Mobil1 Vtwin with a outline of a Harley type bike on the front and JASO is nowhere to be found..
Posted By: Black_Thunder

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/14/19 03:46 AM

I bought thr 15w40 T6 and will be putting it in my bike next month. Last year i ran a 50 50 mix of 15w40 t4 and 5w40 T6
Posted By: metroplex

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/15/19 06:06 PM

Had slippage with my Ducati 696 using the T6 5W-40 synthetic. It was rated JASO MA2, but during WOT shifts, I'd get an RPM spike for each shift. It was very noticeable and my datalogger caught it. I dumped it out and went with M1 20W-50 V-Twin and it went back to normal. Now I'm running Castrol 10W-50 synthetic (JASO MA/MA2) and it seems fine.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/15/19 08:43 PM

That oil is the recommended oil in the 2014+ BMW R1200RT, and used it flawlessly in the VStrom 1000 and ZRX1200. Clutch slippage with T6 5w40 is not par for the course with any bike or brand.
Posted By: kmrcstintn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/15/19 09:19 PM

do y'all think this would stand up to 3500-4000 miles intervals in an air cooled, common sump, small displacement bike like I have...yamaha v star 250
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/16/19 12:18 AM

Well, it would have as good a shot in that as in any bike I would think, but still is a shear down queen of oils. That small engine probably spec’d 10w-40 when it was new as well as a 3000 mile or thereabouts OCI.

I would run a 10w40 MC specific dino oil or a 15w40 HDEO and call it good. Air cooled engines have looser tolerances by nature and the oil is dirty with contaminants and has a lot more heat induced stress at times than a liquid cooled bike. Synthetic oils don’t make sense to me on a 3000 mile OCI. My 1980 XS1100 called for 2500 mile oil changes, and shifting was going away at that point anyway. Supertech 15w40 or 20w50 was a great oil of choice for many XS1100 owners.
Posted By: metroplex

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/16/19 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Bonz
That oil is the recommended oil in the 2014+ BMW R1200RT, and used it flawlessly in the VStrom 1000 and ZRX1200. Clutch slippage with T6 5w40 is not par for the course with any bike or brand.


That's what everyone told me regarding T6 5W-40. As soon as I drained it and switched to a different oil, it no longer slipped. Keep in mind this was only during WOT shifting. M1 V-Twin 20W-50 and Castrol 10W-50 are fine with my wet clutches. This was during a time when the Ducati-recommended OEM Shell Advance 4T was not readily available in the US. Even the Ducati dealers didn't carry it.
Posted By: Merek

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/17/19 12:45 AM

Advance is now carrying Shell motorcycle oil but last I checked it's $12.99 qt. I'd love to try it in mine but I can find other motorcycle oil for less, even Mobil 1 is cheaper.
Posted By: Kamele0N

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/17/19 06:45 AM

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5069502/1
Posted By: troop

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/17/19 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Merek
Advance is now carrying Shell motorcycle oil but last I checked it's $12.99 qt. I'd love to try it in mine but I can find other motorcycle oil for less, even Mobil 1 is cheaper.

Ships to store for free ...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/2CG62RFX...p;registryId=undefined&selected=true
Posted By: webfors

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 04/23/19 05:07 PM



Nice! Wish the viscosity was in the 15-16 range, but I'll take it if it doesn't shear like its' T6 sister.
Posted By: Goodkat

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/05/19 06:11 PM

Took the first ride if the season with the V Strom 1000 last night using this new T6 15w40 and so far so good. There was no clutch slippage, odd noises or anything thing else that could be bad to note. It ran smooth, shifted great and I think it might rev just a touch quicker. Big thumbs up so far!
Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 02:28 AM

Finally... my local WallyWorld offered it.....

I purchased a gallon.

Tell you all.... the ultimate litmus on this oil is the KTM 950. This engine is the most finicky of any that I have every owned. The only oil it really loves is conventional, Rotella 15w40. So I will dump what is in the sump and add this "elixir oil" to see how she does..... If it is a negatory.... I will go back to conventional 15w40 with all the JASO ratings.



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Posted By: blupupher

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 03:40 AM

Interesting that everyone keeps saying that T4 and T6 are JASO MA rated, but they are not.


Rotella T4 and T6 labels state "Meets the performance requirements of: ... JASO MA/MA2".
"Meets requirements of" is not the same thing as JASO MA/MA2 licensed/certified.
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Where on the bottle is the MA rating square with their certification number?
All JASO MA/MA2 certified oils will have that, just like this bottle of Honda oil:
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Where is any Rotella on the JASO MA/MA2 licensing list?

While I agree Rotella (and Delo, and most other HDEO) work great in most wet clutch bikes and most likely meet or exceed the MA/MA2 specs, none of them are JASO MA/MA2 licensed.
I am running Peak Syn-Blend 15w-40 HDEO in my bike right now, and it says nothing on the label about JASO MA at all. I have no issue using it, but I also know it is not designed for it.

Some "motorcycle" oils from Mobil, Castrol and Valvoline also are not MA licensed oils. Again, check the list or look at the back of the bottle.


Originally Posted by Truckedup
I believe the JASO rating is up to the manufacturer...? I'm looking at a year old bottle of Mobil1 Vtwin with a outline of a Harley type bike on the front and JASO is nowhere to be found..

Nope. As you mentioned, the Mobil 1 V Twin is for Harley bikes, so no need for the JASO MA/MA2 certification. Probably works fine in wet clutches, but not certified for it.


and to be clear, I have nothing against using Rotella in a wet clutch bike, just the fact that everyone seems to be thinking that advertising wording on the label and website is the same thing as having the correct licensing/certifications. You have as much of a guarantee from Shell using T4, T5 or T6, since non of them are JASO MA/MA2 licensed.
Why they have this wording on T4 and T6, well, easy to see, it sells. Why is it not on T5, no idea.
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 04:06 AM

Coffee The old “ meets the requirements of “ issue.
Posted By: krismoriah72

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by BigJohn
Finally... my local WallyWorld offered it.....

I purchased a gallon.

Tell you all.... the ultimate litmus on this oil is the KTM 950. This engine is the most finicky of any that I have every owned. The only oil it really loves is conventional, Rotella 15w40. So I will dump what is in the sump and add this "elixir oil" to see how she does..... If it is a negatory.... I will go back to conventional 15w40 with all the JASO ratings.



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well you didnt get the T6 15w40.. the T6 has 'all the JASO ratings' same as T4.
Posted By: dnewton3

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 12:04 PM

That lube, as well as many others, is not licensed.
Shell (SOPUS) is assuring us it "meets the requirements" of MA/MA2.
This is likely because it's not worth the money for the full license, when they know that Rotella is a small market for bikes. But they also know it would qualify, if tested.
This is not unique; there are many premium lubes that don't always seek full license for all applications, and they claim "meets requirements" ...
Amsoil, RL, RP and some others do this. Does that stop the faithful from using them just because they don't have the license? No it does not.

I use Rotella T4 15w-40 in my Victory, and it does just find by me. It "meets requirements" but is not licensed. And I sleep well at night.
Posted By: kschachn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 01:31 PM

Yes, actual JASO MA/MA2 rated oil must be labeled as such in accordance with Appendix 5 of this document:
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV1904.pdf
Posted By: blupupher

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by dnewton3
That lube, as well as many others, is not licensed.
Shell (SOPUS) is assuring us it "meets the requirements" of MA/MA2.
This is likely because it's not worth the money for the full license, when they know that Rotella is a small market for bikes. But they also know it would qualify, if tested.
This is not unique; there are many premium lubes that don't always seek full license for all applications, and they claim "meets requirements" ...
Amsoil, RL, RP and some others do this. Does that stop the faithful from using them just because they don't have the license? No it does not.

I use Rotella T4 15w-40 in my Victory, and it does just find by me. It "meets requirements" but is not licensed. And I sleep well at night.

I agree, as I stated, but was just wanting it clear it is not an officially approved MA/MA2 oil for those that are concerned with warranty, since using it under a warranty could be used to void any clutch or engine issues.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 03:15 PM

Shell rates it for motorcycle use. Their reputation is on the line, I know of not a single incident where any Rotella 15w40 oil has caused a problem in a shared sump. Playing the warranty card to cast doubt is over and done with, it isn’t an issue.
Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/14/19 03:16 PM

Long time no post, but I am just about out of my stash of "old" formula T6 5W-40 so I came back here to see what is the latest and greatest. Low and behold, another oil controversy. What fun! My two cents is that I have been using the old T6 for close to 39,000 miles in my Kawasaki EX500 with absolutely no issues, changing about every 3000 miles or one season for a few years I didn't ride the bike much. I would be somewhat wary about going to T6 15W-40 simply for the cold startup issue. Yes, I rarely start when it is below freezing, but the bike may have cold soaked overnight well down into single digits or below. Even with starts in the low 40s the motor definitely spins better with the 5W as opposed to the 15W. In fact, I noticed a significant difference in how my boat diesel starts going from 15W-40 to 10W-30 semi-syn, and most of those starts are well above freezing. I've noted the same thing when comparing 5W-30 dino and 5W-30 synthetic in a variety of cars. There is a noticeable difference even around freezing, and when you get down to zero and below the difference in starting is significant. How much the easy starting of the motorcycle relates to the synthetic bit vs the W rating I don't know, but it just seems logical that an easier start is good for the engine. On the other end of the thermometer I have made many summer trips using the old T6 5W-40 with temperatures in the 90s with the engine running 6-7K with no complaints. Probably the ideal would be to run the T6 15W-40 in the summer and the T6 5W-40 in the spring and fall. May just do that, though I prefer to keep things simple. My opinion on the JASO MA rating is that it is great Shell at leasts lets us know it meets the spec. I would rather use an oil that lets me know that information up front instead of making us guess that other HDEOs are OK.
Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/18/19 03:27 AM

I purchased a gallon jug of T6 15w40 three weeks ago in my WalMart. Walked in there yesterday and there was NONE! There wasn't even a slot for it on the shelves.



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Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/18/19 03:38 AM

Yeah... my bad. I posted the wrong pic. This is what I purchased.

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Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/18/19 10:56 AM

Anybody using the new T6 15W-40 have any comments yet?
Posted By: Goodkat

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/24/19 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by AuthorEditor
Anybody using the new T6 15W-40 have any comments yet?


I have a couple hundred miles on my 2014 VStrom 1000 and so far I have no complaints. It seems to rev a little quicker, there's no slippage and shifting is fine. It doesn't feel all that different from the Delvac 1300 or Valvoline Premium Blue I used in it. It will be interesting to see how the shifting feels at the 2500-3000 mile mark. At that mileage I never noticed a deterioration in shift quality with the Delvac and that's when I changed the oil, usually before a big trip.
Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/24/19 11:08 AM

Thanks for the update! I hope to give it a try at the next OCI if I can find it locally.
Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/26/19 10:43 AM

I've checked two Walmarts and T6 15W-40 has been OS, though I did find the spot on the shelf for it. Looks like it is currently $19.97 for a gallon, if you can find it.
Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 05/28/19 10:37 AM

Found it at a Walmart in Taunton, MA! $22 and change.
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Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/03/19 11:59 AM

Yep... same here. There is no T6 15w40 to be found. In my travels, I have been walking into WalMart's across the western US and there is none to be found. In most cases, there is no slot on the shelves. When I can speak with an associate, they nearly always give me the line... "We don't know what the trucks are going to bring us."

So maybe Shell did a market, experimental run of a few thousand gallons nation-wide to see if it was an oil that consumers would purchase. And maybe, they are ramping up production with the quick 'sell out of inventory'?????????


On another note......

Does Shell really need three versions of 15w40? I wonder if they are considering phasing out T5..... only keeping T4 and T6... ????

Motorcyclists are a tiny percentage of the Rotella consumer group, but I am sure everyone would vote to have JASO spec'd T6, rather than Non-JASO T5.

And for that matter, I just can't believe Shell would go to the trouble to JASO spec T6 15w40 if they didn't have long terms plans for it.

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Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/03/19 10:32 PM

BigJohn is right about Rotella and market confusion. Which 15W-40 to buy? Especially if you have a diesel. I am more likely to purchase a JASO MA oil for my motorcycle, though I suspect a lot of diesel oils would be suitable. Maybe someone at Shell is a motorcycle enthusiast!
Posted By: Garak

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/03/19 11:21 PM

Check a distributor. All the big oil companies have products that are very useful to fleets - and purchased in large numbers - yet won't be available on a Walmart shelf.
Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/08/19 11:41 PM

If we can find it...... by June 30th..... this nice one!!!!

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/cou...allet-economy.html#iframe=L0RJWS90NXQ2Lw

LINK.....
Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/09/19 08:48 PM

Thanks BigJohn! Applied for rebate. I thought the shelf was marked $22 and something for the 15W-40, but on the receipt they charged me $19.97. Should have bought more while I was there!
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/25/19 04:16 PM

Anybody else been using this oil so far?
Posted By: eddy21

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/26/19 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by ad244
Anybody else been using this oil so far?

For most of the 50k on my 95 GPZ1100 with ZX11 cams and carbs and 1109 big bore , no problems .
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/26/19 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by eddy21
Originally Posted by ad244
Anybody else been using this oil so far?

For most of the 50k on my 95 GPZ1100 with ZX11 cams and carbs and 1109 big bore , no problems .


But the oil has only been out for a few months?
Posted By: AuthorEditor

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/27/19 05:27 PM

Quote
If we can find it...... by June 30th..... this nice one!!!!

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/cou...allet-economy.html#iframe=L0RJWS90NXQ2Lw

LINK.....


Applied for the rebate, followed the instructions exactly, was rejected by Shell. The reason given was "Un-identified store/Invoice/Receipt not sent." Well, I sent the original receipt so there is no arguing about it now. This type of scam is one reason I HATE REBATES! Doesn't make me feel good about Shell either.
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/28/19 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by AuthorEditor
Quote
If we can find it...... by June 30th..... this nice one!!!!

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/cou...allet-economy.html#iframe=L0RJWS90NXQ2Lw

LINK.....


Applied for the rebate, followed the instructions exactly, was rejected by Shell. The reason given was "Un-identified store/Invoice/Receipt not sent." Well, I sent the original receipt so there is no arguing about it now. This type of scam is one reason I HATE REBATES! Doesn't make me feel good about Shell either.



Mine went through for the T6 15w-40
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 06/28/19 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by AuthorEditor
Quote
If we can find it...... by June 30th..... this nice one!!!!

https://rotella.shell.com/en_us/cou...allet-economy.html#iframe=L0RJWS90NXQ2Lw

LINK.....


Applied for the rebate, followed the instructions exactly, was rejected by Shell. The reason given was "Un-identified store/Invoice/Receipt not sent." Well, I sent the original receipt so there is no arguing about it now. This type of scam is one reason I HATE REBATES! Doesn't make me feel good about Shell either.


Did you make a copy of the receipt and any other paperwork or even simply take a phone picture of the what you were sending? It’s the thing to do before you stick it in the mail...
Posted By: eddy21

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/05/19 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by ad244
Originally Posted by eddy21
Originally Posted by ad244
Anybody else been using this oil so far?

For most of the 50k on my 95 GPZ1100 with ZX11 cams and carbs and 1109 big bore , no problems .


But the oil has only been out for a few months?

Sorry the T4 , just started on this
Posted By: philobeddoe

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/17/19 09:07 PM

Just checked online and my local WalMart has the T6 15w40 at $19.97/gallon ... gonna make a run and pickup a couple of gallons.

The ZRX has been eating up the Redline; tired of topping off at $15/quart.

Can anyone confirm the ZRX1200R takes the Wix 24941?
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/18/19 01:04 PM

Bummer on the ZRX eating up Redline. Gonna assume it is in KWICK’s favorite flavor, 20w50?

If it’s eating oil, I wouldn’t even put a synthetic in until it’s fixed. You having a problem with the oil rings?
Posted By: ad244

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/18/19 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by philobeddoe
Just checked online and my local WalMart has the T6 15w40 at $19.97/gallon ... gonna make a run and pickup a couple of gallons.

The ZRX has been eating up the Redline; tired of topping off at $15/quart.

Can anyone confirm the ZRX1200R takes the Wix 24941?



Im curious to hear about how the T6 does in your bike. If that doesn't solve it, try T4.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/18/19 08:50 PM

I am almost certain he is running redline 20w50. He’s looking for a less expensive synthetic oil to top off with, as his bike has been eating up the Redline. Anything lighter weight than what he is running is not going to solve any problem he might be having.

I agree, T4 would be a great inexpensive top off oil since it’s going to get used up anyway from the sound of things.
Posted By: philobeddoe

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/20/19 08:57 PM

Yeah the motor was KWICK'd with the RL 20w50 ... he turns red when I tell him I run the Rotella.

I'm far from expert, but when I've run Amsoil or Redline in any of the ZRX's
the capacity decreases after a few hundred miles of hard rippin'
but the same does not happen when I'd ran the T6 5w40.

Regular street/highway riding, it does not occur, when the riding is more spirited, canyons and such, I need to top off a half quart.

Filled up on T6 15w40 this morning and took a short ride,
gonna wind her up later this afternoon.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/22/19 05:24 AM

Previous OCI ran M1 10w40 4T in the Rex, granted not winding it out other than now and then in street riding, 4,603 miles didn’t use any oil. Current fill is M1 20w50 V-Twin, just over 4,800 miles with the last 1,400 in 5 days a week and a half ago running around southwestern Colorado doing lots of mountains and hasn’t used any either. Really pleased with the JE piston install I did spring of 2018, sealed up well on the rings. Going to take it to a bit over 5,000 miles and send off a sample when I change it. Debating (flipping a coin maybe?) whether continue with the 20w50 or back to the 10w40 4T. Engine seems to run a bit warmer with the 20w50 in hotter temps at higher elevation (ZX9 gauges installed which have a temp gauge). I recall that as well from running another brand 20w50 3 or 4 years ago vs the Rotella T5 15w40 I ran before that.
Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/27/19 03:23 AM

I am a HUGE HDEO fan, but over the years I have seen too much consumption with 5w40 in most applications. I have always believed the oil protected well, but didn't like the consumption. So last year I ran 15w40 T4 in two bikes and the consumption..... all but ended.

I've always been a fan of Semi-synthetic, so this year I am mixing a gallon of T6 (5w40) and T4 (15w40) and see how it does. (I did this because the T5 semi-synth's are not JASO rated and my bikes are shared sump.)

Everything from the seat of my pants is very positive.... smooth shifting and smooth engines. ....little to no consumption. I have 3,500 miles on the Honda and it has been spectacular.... smooth shifting and great running and no consumption that I can measure.

I just picked up two gallons of T6 15w40 and unsure what to do with it. Do I pour it straight in.... or do I mix it with T4 15w40 to get a semi-synth?
Posted By: troop

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/27/19 02:18 PM

Regarding oil consumption, I'd still do a blend of T6 full syn (15w40) and syn blend T5 (15w40).
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 07/28/19 04:10 AM

I posted some UOA's that included T5 15w40. It protected very well and stayed in grade as well as any oil of any weight I have used.

I want to give deference to the potential that there are "things in the oil" that an analysis doesn't show, but when it comes to a 15w40 HDEO, there isn't anything hiding in any of them that would cause a problem and not the T5 15w40 based on my analysis and performance while in use.

I would offer in terms of perpetuating the argument oils have things that don't show in an analysis, someone please share what those things possibly could be.
Posted By: DGXR

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 08/08/19 07:40 PM

This is news to me, I thought all the T6 was 5w40. Wow am I wrong again! I will buy this 15w40 next time if it is available at my local WalMart. Until then I'm using the T4 15w40 (white bottle) in the dirt bikes with good results.
Posted By: BigMoneyGrip

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 08/09/19 03:53 PM

I just got a jug of the T6 15w40 at Walmart. I'm gonna try this in the VTX and see how it does. I don't ride the bike much (only 11K and it's an '02) but it has to be better than the 8 year old oil thats in it.
Posted By: BigJohn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 12:41 AM

Riding season has ended here.... Had a 60 degree afternoon, so I rode the bikes down to the filling station, pouring in Stabil, topped off the tanks and rode each bike for 30 minutes.

It was a great season and T6 15w40 found its way into every one of my bikes.

I experimented a lot, as I ride a lot and was able to do 2-3 OCI's per bike.

Every single bike preferred a 50/50 mix of T6 15w40 synthetic and T4 15w40 conventional..... for a home blend of my own Semi-Synthetic. This is based on smoothness of shifting through the whole OCI. (Over the years I've been critical of T6 5w40 alone in this regard, as it hasn't been the best.)

I don't ride in cold weather and all my bikes spend their nights in a garage..... so I don't need a low temp, winter flow oil.

The WalMarts in the area are solidly stocked with T6 15w40 now and my home blend will be the oil for nearly everything I run..... Motorcycles and Diesel Cages and Diesel Tractor.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 04:32 AM

Question... Why not run Rotella T5 15w40 syn blend? I know I know, it doesn't have the official Jaso rating but I've used it and others have used it, there is no issue in a wet clutch.
Posted By: bulwnkl

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 04:55 AM

Is the thinking here that T6 (and T4, it appears) "meets" the frictional requirements of MA, and that's why they label it so?
Clearly the fluid is not and cannot be compliant with the MA spec, because the MA spec requires a gasoline rating, which the Rotella T series no longer carries.

Just curious...
Posted By: Smoky14

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bonz
Question... Why not run Rotella T5 15w40 syn blend? I know I know, it doesn't have the official Jaso rating but I've used it and others have used it, there is no issue in a wet clutch.


I ran the old T5 but the new T5 is not rated for gasoline engines. I've been too lazy to call shell and ask if it is just not printed on the bottle or if they really mean it.
I thought the old T% worked the best in my bike as far as shifting went.

Smoky
Posted By: kschachn

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 01:14 PM

Rotella T5 15W-40 is rated CK-4, CJ-4 on the API EOLCS directory. It lists no other licenses.
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by bulwnkl
Is the thinking here that T6 (and T4, it appears) "meets" the frictional requirements of MA, and that's why they label it so?
Clearly the fluid is not and cannot be compliant with the MA spec, because the MA spec requires a gasoline rating, which the Rotella T series no longer carries.

Just curious...


I see the point you are making but just want to correct the statement that the T series no longer has gasoline rated oils. There are still two “T series “ oils that are SN rated. They are the T6 0W40 and the T6 5w30 multi-vehicle. Carry on. smile
PS, if I read your post out of context, please disregard.
Posted By: bulwnkl

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 07:41 PM

Fair enough, but those fluids aren't alleged to be JASO MA, so it's not really pertinent.
Posted By: Bonz

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/16/19 07:54 PM

Ran syn-blend T5 15w40 in the ZRX1200 a few years ago. No issues and would run it again if I had to. There is no reason to not use it if a guy so chooses. There is no silver bullet in any of the HDEO's that hurts or helps a shared sump clutch system. Just something for guys to wax on while reading a label and ignoring reports from how it works when used in the real world . T4 Rotella had millions of miles of proof before it ever got labeled with any motorcycle rating. T5 is no different, but reading a label makes an expert out of many. smile
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: Rotella T6 15w-40 Is JASO MA2 Rated - 11/17/19 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by bulwnkl
Fair enough, but those fluids aren't alleged to be JASO MA, so it's not really pertinent.

Agreed. smile
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