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Posted By: raaizin

school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 10:55 PM

going to paint the interior of my house, I was planning to use ppg/glidden. Priced benjamin moore and sherwin williams and they are rather pricey. Do they really justify their added cost.
Posted By: mrsilv04

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:04 PM

Yes. I used to paint with $15 a gallon paint... and it is truly "you get what you pay for".

The cheap paint is like watery, skim milk. The pricier paint is like half and half. The premium stuff is like whipping cream.

I don't buy paint that is less than $30 a gallon anymore. Watch for sales and rebates. You can get the premium stuff for a lot less, if you time it right.
Posted By: JohnnyJohnson

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:06 PM

You get what you pay for I used Glidden in my rentals years ago never would cover with one coat. Benjamin Moore is all I use any moore pun intended. Used it in my family room 8 years ago and it still looks great.
Posted By: dogememe

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:09 PM

I know nothing about house painting except for the fact that I've helped several people paint interiors of offices and rooms in their homes and the good, expensive paint is always more pleasant to apply.
Posted By: Trav

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:12 PM

PM Demarpaint, he is a pro and knows everything about house paint and how to apply it.
Posted By: nthach

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:16 PM

TBH, my dad was able to cover over Pepto-Bismol pink and a deep red with two coats of Glidden just a few weeks ago - it doesn't look half bad. PPG revitalized Glidden, they were seen as a [censored] child by ICI and AkzoNobel. Home Depot pushes Behr - it's the house brand made by the makers of Kilz, Masco. Behr is actually pretty durable but isn't that colorfast, Ultra and Marquee seem to do better than Premium Plus. If it's an white/off-white and go with Behr you should be OK.

I like Kelly-Moore or Ben Moore, the latter has the edge in colors. The stuff I do in Kelly-Moore still looks great, I got my dad to use Ben Moore's Regal Select 6 years ago and it still looks like new. Never used SW. BM is pricey but time is money as well.
Posted By: MParr

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:20 PM

raaizin
I’ve had good luck with PPG/Porter Paint. Yeah, Benjamin Moore is top notch and you’ll pay for it. Sherwin Williams ? Take it or leave it. It’s overpriced for the performance. You can get coupons or catch it on sale.
This is the wall paint that I have had good luck with.
https://www.ppgpaints.com/products/interior-paint/speedhide-interior-latex
For doors and trim.
https://www.ppgpaints.com/products/...aint/ppg-advantage-900-interior-exterior
Posted By: Oldtom

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:36 PM

if you are painting a lot of the same color, may I suggest a Wagner Sidekick? Works great for big jobs. Here is a cut n paste from my old post:

I had to repaint my 4 bedroom rental and decided to try this powered paint roller. In 10 hours, I did all the rolling in a 1000 square foot townhouse. I still have to cut in the corners with a brush, but 10 hours in one day was enough. The painter worked perfectly except for one "user caused" problem. You MUST strain the paint before use. Tiny particles that you would not notice with a brush and roller can clog the internal passages. Most paint stores sell a mesh bag strainer that goes into an empty 5 gallon bucket. Dump the paint in, lift out the strainer and discard. done.

This is not good for small jobs as cleanup takes about 30 minutes. It is the perfect tool for painting a whole house. I used an off white for everything and 7 gallons completed the job. Cleanup is easy with latex paint, as you put the roller and the intake in a bucket of soapy water and just let the pump run.

Cost about $62 on amazon.
Posted By: JMJNet

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/03/19 11:54 PM

If you can wait, Sherwin usually runs 40% off sometimes, not sure if they are running it in December, though.
It pushed it in the affordable territory cheaper than HD's paint.
Posted By: JeffKeryk

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:07 AM

Kelly-Moore is a good price point. Paint like Benjamin Moore is better, but you gotta pay.
If you can find someone with a contractor license you can save some money, I believe.

Good luck.
Posted By: The Critic

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:17 AM

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...0463/amateur-paint-questions#Post5270463

My fiancee beat me and rolled two rooms with Behr Marquee. Surprisingly, it turned out just fine.
Posted By: Donald

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:17 AM

Paint is the cheap part, labor is the expensive part, even if you do it.

Buy the high end Behr at Home Depot.

Purdy paint brushes. Quality roller covers.

Get lots of light to paint in. Prep walls well or it will show.

Learn how to "cut" if you are not good at it.
Posted By: R_W_M

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:17 AM

If you are not in a hurry, sign up for Sherwin-Williams "Paint Perks" program. You will receive notices of their sales. 30% off about every 4-6 weeks and 40% off about every 3 months, or so.

Their paint is excellent, and the sales make it much less pricey.
Posted By: skyactiv

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:19 AM

I had my custom home painted with Benjamin Moore. Benjamin Moore uses their own colorants called Gennex, not the universal colorants you'd get in a $17 or a $50 can of paint in Home Depot or Walmart, Lowes... .
Some think Benjamin Moore paint has a better look to it, I agree.

I did paint my parents lake house interior with PPG Manor Hall bought at an actual PPG paint store. Great paint but it doesn't have the color pop BM has.
In fact, I highly recommend PPG Manor Hall from a PPG paint store if your not a self centered snob like me. https://www.justaddpaint.net/ppg-manor-hall-paint-review

This YouTube channel has helped me a lot. He has well over 150 videos, so you'll need to type in the search "how to cut in ceilings" as an example.
https://www.youtube.com/user/idahopainters
Posted By: danez_yoda

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:32 AM

Behr from Home Depot is hard to beat for quality vs value.
Posted By: Chester11

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 02:14 AM

an N of 1 here - but I am planning to repaint some trim I did with Sherwin Williams paint about 3 months ago. I'll probably go with Ben Moore.

It's too bad, because you can find pretty good discounts on the SW paint around major holidays.

Behr seems really thick, but consumer reports and many seem to like it.

Go with what the pros say - but the Idaho painter youtube channel is great.
Posted By: spasm3

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Trav
PM Demarpaint, he is a pro and knows everything about house paint and how to apply it.



+1 has helped me on several projects. His advice and recommendations have been spot on!!
Posted By: Fotoflame

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 03:06 AM

I've never had a problem covering over a previous color using Behr Ultra. You get what you pay for, and I'll pay $30/gallon to only paint the room once.
Posted By: demarpaint

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 03:11 AM

Originally Posted by raaizin
going to paint the interior of my house, I was planning to use ppg/glidden. Priced benjamin moore and sherwin williams and they are rather pricey. Do they really justify their added cost.

As with most things you get what you pay for. I rather work smarter, not harder. Cheap paint doesn't cover well, and doesn't last as long. Having said that you don't have to pay $80 a gallon for B. Moore Aura paint either. If you decide to go with B. Moore use their Select series paint. I'm not a fan of Sherwin Williams paints. Some of the Behr Paints are actually pretty good, their Marquee paints are good. Many of the better paints claim to be self priming, to a degree they are, but they will not hold back water stains, or nicotine staining, for that type of situation you need a dedicated primer.

If you have any specific questions fire away.
Posted By: Sierra048

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:07 PM

When we bought our current home the previous owner didn't leave any touch up paint for the walls or trim. I cut a small patch from inside a closet to take and try to get a color match. After several trial and errors from Home Depot, they finally created a color that was pretty close, to the point I would use it for touch up. So I went back to Home Depot to get a gallon to keep on hand. Now keep in mind they are the ones that came up with the formula to begin with. They for some reason could not make me a gallon of paint, with the very formula they created in the first place. Several of their paint department employees tried to no avail. Frustrated I took my sample patch to a Sherwin Williams store much closer to home. They created a paint sample that matched our existing wall paint perfectly. I ended buying eight gallons of it since it was on sale and repainted the whole interior of our home. I've always used the premium Behr paint from Home Depot and had decent results with it but the Sherwin Williams paint blew the Behr offerings out of the water. I've never tried Benjamin Moore. There aren't any Porter Paint stores any where close to where we live.
Posted By: ET16

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:45 PM

I've have heard that eggshell holds up better than flat.
Posted By: danez_yoda

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by ET16
I've have heard that eggshell holds up better than flat.


Yes but eggshell has a slight sheen that will show poor sheetrock work (tape lines, dings not well patches, texture clumps etc) That's why production new home builders use FLAT paint on the walls ultra flat because it hides these imperfections long enough for the buyer to ohh and ahh at the big architectural features then go the closing.

If you can deal with that and the slight sheen, eggshell is a very durable finish.
Posted By: Touring5

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 01:28 PM

Paint is one commodity where you DO get what you pay for.

I generally use Sherwin Williams "Duration" paint in matte finish for walls - it covers well and can be scrubbed if necessary. One thing about SW: never pay full price - they regularly have promotions with deep discounts.
Posted By: JLawrence08648

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 03:04 PM

SW has 30% off right now. Get on their mailing list.
Posted By: Fawteen

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 04:27 PM

We've been using PPG paints almost exclusively since they returned to their company owned store business model a few years ago. I've never had an issue with their paint, and their Breakthrough is fantastic for doors, cabinets and trim. The stuff bonds to almost anything and wears like iron. It dries extremely fast-we can pull cabinet doors in the morning, spray two coats on the doors and boxes, and have it all back together by lunch.

I have yet to have to repaint anything that was first painted with Breakthrough.
Posted By: nthach

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/04/19 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by skyactiv
I had my custom home painted with Benjamin Moore. Benjamin Moore uses their own colorants called Gennex, not the universal colorants you'd get in a $17 or a $50 can of paint in Home Depot or Walmart, Lowes... .

Ben Moore and Sherwin-Williams make their own colorants - everyone else almost always uses CCA. Behr supports Home Depot with BASF colorants with their label. The bases are different between the brands and with Ben Moore the colorants. All paints have tintable white, medium/accent and deep bases - medium and deep bases have less titanium dioxide and "organic" colorants, deep bases are almost clear. Some brands like BM and Dunn-Edwards(SoCal/AZ) have an 4x/ultra deep base.

Where a paint store shines at is color matching - they usually take the time to match to a color chip or a paint sample by eye. Home Depot/Lowe's/Ace/WM only match via spectrometer, very rarely will HD match by eye. I was over at The Critic's place while he was doing some painting and I saw a can of Behr matched to a SW color that was slightly off. However, HD and Ace do have some competitive color formulae in their system and I've gotten Kelly-Moore colors shot in Behr or Ace Royal for my place as touch-up with a dead-on match.

With that said, if you pick a color in one brand of paint, stick to that brand.
Posted By: UtahClark

Re: school me on Interior house paint - 12/10/19 05:43 AM

I don't think you can go too wrong with any "line" of paint from either Orange/Blue construction store. I've used most of them with decent results. Valspar, Glidden-Diamond I like a lot. Behr's good, but you don't have to get the $50 stuff. I am a satin sheen on walls guy. Satin cleans a bit better than flat. Less scuffing. Flat/eggshell on ceiling. Semi on trim/doors/base. Some of the color matching, issues, has to do with proprietary colors of the diff brands. It's hard to cross-match. Just get a color that you like is best. You can have primer tinted (cheap) then go over the walls with the color/finish. Rolling walls with primer doesn't take long, and you dont have to be perfect. I'm not a huge paint+primer/expensive guy. Just not convinced. Although, im sure it works. Would you rather have 2 coats, or one? IMO.
Some tips: I like 1/2" nap on rollers (try to avoid cheap rollers) and run the roller on masking tape to get the lint off. Hold tape with knees, and roll off 3', and run the roller on it until there is no more lint. 1/2" has good texture and holds fair amount of paint, 3/8" not so much.
When you are patching>> hold light/flashlight to "see" imperfections, right against the wall/down the wall will show stuff.... and you can use the cheap fluffy spackle, or regular drywall mud if you have time to wait for it to dry. Cheap grey foam sponges are good to sand smooth (smooth grit). Then, if you have a lot of patches.. do a rough "stipple" with a brush on the sanded patch... then... when you go over it with the roller.. it will have some texture to the rest of the wall and blend in better.
A 3M tan tape+ paper masking machine can really save time to cover doors/baseboard. Upfront a lot $.. but paper/tape is cheap.
The $12 kit with roller/pan/brush can be a good deal to get started, and a 4' extension is super for the ceiling. Don't rinse a used roller. They are not free, but just use a new one with a new color/paint. You can double bag a roller and use it a month later if you want.. that's okay. it can't dry out.
And the cheap "painters" caulk is good... don't need to overspend there... just dont make a big hole on the tube... just tip of pen sized... you can always do another line of caulk but too much is not good... Also ... you can mask off when you are caulking... that helps.. for a clean line.
Hope this helped. Have fun, and a lot of cold beer (ice tea).
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