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Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity

Posted By: buster

Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 02:26 PM

At first I was skeptical of this guy but I now believe him. The Tic TAC UFO incident that was confirmed by multiple Navy pilots was not of ET origin and was from the Air Force and DARPA. It was a test. The technology behind it is a game changer.

*I’d appreciate it if you watch the video before making a comment on it.



“I am a former civil rights attorney and host of the Hidden Truth Show, a podcast and YouTube show which seeks the truth behind today’s most controversial issues. I am currently investigating the “Tic Tac” UFO video shot by U.S. Navy pilots. I first interviewed Mike Turber, a Former Air Force Intelligence Specialist who revealed that they are actually secret U.S. craft. Turber also strongly hinted that he has ridden in one, flying from southern California to the East Coast in just 84 minutes, which was confirmed by his Google Maps page from that day. He also asserts that President Trump ordered one flown to North Korea to impress Kim Jong-un. The craft represent one of the most incredible scientific discoveries in human history, which, until now, has been kept secret. The craft can fly through air, space, and water at incredible speeds while defying gravity due to a vacuum created around the craft. The Navy was recently issued patents for very similar technology”
Posted By: Greggy_D

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 02:40 PM

We've had this technology for decades, as well as the ability of Interstellar travel with the Secret Space Program.

All of this is coming out within the next 1-5 years. There's a reason the Space Force was created.
Posted By: kschachn

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by buster
“I am a former civil rights attorney and host of the Hidden Truth Show, a podcast and YouTube show which seeks the truth behind today’s most controversial issues. I am currently investigating the “Tic Tac” UFO video shot by U.S. Navy pilots. I first interviewed Mike Turber, a Former Air Force Intelligence Specialist who revealed that they are actually secret U.S. craft. Turber also strongly hinted that he has ridden in one, flying from southern California to the East Coast in just 84 minutes, which was confirmed by his Google Maps page from that day. He also asserts that President Trump ordered one flown to North Korea to impress Kim Jong-un. The craft represent one of the most incredible scientific discoveries in human history, which, until now, has been kept secret. The craft can fly through air, space, and water at incredible speeds while defying gravity due to a vacuum created around the craft. The Navy was recently issued patents for very similar technology”

Wow wee.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 03:19 PM

The Navy patents you can google. There is no doubt these things exist. Confirmed by the US Navy and pilots like David Fravor. The debate has been what are they and are trying from a foreign government, ours or ET. I believe Mike Turber in that they are ours.
Posted By: Greggy_D

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 03:23 PM

It's slow-drip Disclosure.
Posted By: PimTac

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 03:48 PM

Just like the flying triangles back in the 80’s.
Posted By: Driz

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by PimTac
Just like the flying triangles back in the 80’s.




I remember the talk show host Jim Bohannon once said he actually saw one of those. Iirc he said it quietly sailed right by him overhead somewhere in the SW one night. He said he was pretty sure if he could have seen it close up it would hav had US Air Force somewhere on it.🤷🏼‍♂️
I’m glad they aren’t blabbing about all the secret stuff. All it does is prompt our buddies the Commies and others to dream up better countermeasures. Besides, in the age of no punishment treason it’s impossible to plug all the “leaks”.
Posted By: ArrestMeRedZ

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 05:34 PM

Well, there is one way to know for sure if these reports are true. If Mike Turber was actually an Air Force intelligence specialist and he released information about these supposed airships, he would spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth. The idea that releases of this sort could have been authorized are nonsense.

In my experience, most AF "intelligence experts" were anything but, and none were well informed on our systems. Their expertise was on determining enemy capabilities. Googling Mike Turber doesn't reveal much. One source indicates he served in the AF as an "Electronics Operations Specialist", a job title that doesn't exist. Apparently he became a "Senior Intelligence Analyst" as a civilian. Google has lots of stories about him being an investigative reporter, and knowing the secrets about the Las Vegas Shooter.

I think there is a higher probability that dragons currently exist than any story about a Tic Tac airship that comes from Mike Turber is true.
Posted By: Cujet

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 05:43 PM

I have more time aloft than god himself. All I do is travel. Not once have I seen a ufo, tic-tac or saucer.

I did see one American stealth plane unfamiliar to me. One with a very acute triangle shape.
Posted By: Pew

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cujet
I have more time aloft than god himself. All I do is travel. Not once have I seen a ufo, tic-tac or saucer.

I did see one American stealth plane unfamiliar to me. One with a very acute triangle shape.



was it one of these?
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Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:09 PM



Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:11 PM

The Tic Tac UFO has already been confirmed by the Navy. It’s a fact. What it is and where it comes from is what the issue is.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by ArrestMeRedZ


I think there is a higher probability that dragons currently exist than any story about a Tic Tac airship that comes from Mike Turber is true.


I was skeptical of this guy for the same reasons. Been there. But there is FAR more to this than this guy.

If you don’t know about this incident I would look it up.
Posted By: ragtoplvr

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:16 PM

I hope there is this secret program. We are destroying the earth.

Rod
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:24 PM

See below:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...o-videos-released-by-the-navy-2019-10-15

Patent:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais


Posted By: kschachn

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:30 PM

Always be careful though to remember that a patent in no way indicates efficacy, only novelty. There are many, many patents for devices that do absolutely nothing.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:31 PM

Absolutely. What’s interesting about this is why now? These things have been seen for quite some time. It almost gives Bob Lazar credibility.
Posted By: ArrestMeRedZ

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by buster
Originally Posted by ArrestMeRedZ


I think there is a higher probability that dragons currently exist than any story about a Tic Tac airship that comes from Mike Turber is true.


I was skeptical of this guy for the same reasons. Been there. But there is FAR more to this than this guy.

If you don’t know about this incident I would look it up.

Oh, I've seen the videos, and the Navy fighter pilots are very credible sources. I believe the incidents happened. I believe there is something out there. I just don't place any credence in Mike Turber or anything he has to say about the subject. I personally couldn't eliminate the Air Force as the source of the alleged craft, but the stories I've seen so far linking them do not ring true to me.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 06:52 PM

Gotcha I hear you. I’m on the fence with Turber as well. This last interview swayed me a bit though.
Posted By: sloinker

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 07:33 PM

I seriously doubt that our black agencies would have allowed the president to have this alleged aircraft flown to N.Korea to impress Kim.
Posted By: PimTac

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by sloinker
I seriously doubt that our black agencies would have allowed the president to have this alleged aircraft flown to N.Korea to impress Kim.



That sounded like fake news to me as well.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 07:51 PM

Agree. But you never know. Showing off and intimidation is not unusual.
Posted By: PimTac

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by buster
Agree. But you never know. Showing off and intimidation is not unusual.




True but that can easily be done. Give Kim a copy of War Games and tell him the WOPR really exists.
Posted By: ragtoplvr

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 08:30 PM

They are probably alien, sent here to study how primitives act when facing certain destruction.by their own hand.

Rod
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by sloinker
I seriously doubt that our black agencies would have allowed the president to have this alleged aircraft flown to N.Korea to impress Kim.


Yeah, conspiracy theories never really add up. If he did so, someone would have gotten more pictures or details about it. Even the President's visit to Iraq last year was spilled when someone spotted his plane in England. But no one saw a black ops plan fly to N Korea and back and no one in Kim's inner circle saw or said anything about it and same with the US side, except this guy who somehow heard about it. Sure, makes a lot of sense.

Speaking of anti-gravity, if they ever came up anything like that, what would happen when you apply it to a black hole? Or the sun?
Posted By: LoneRanger

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
They are probably alien, sent here to study how primitives act when facing certain destruction.by their own hand.

Rod


There is no such thing as extra terrestrial intelligent alien beings.
Posted By: OilReport99

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
They are probably alien, sent here to study how primitives act when facing certain destruction.by their own hand.

Rod


There is no such thing as extra terrestrial intelligent alien beings.


If you have a Tic or a Tac: Redline 5W-30
Posted By: UncleDave

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 11:43 PM



Let's say all the inertial reduction/ anti grav whiz bang stuff works.

Where does the energy come from to run it?


UD
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/03/19 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by UncleDave


Let's say all the inertial reduction/ anti grav whiz bang stuff works.

Where does the energy come from to run it?


UD


It's one of those things like faster than light. You would arrive before you left. There's no particle or force that is the opposite of gravity. Would be amazing if it was ever found.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
They are probably alien, sent here to study how primitives act when facing certain destruction.by their own hand.

Rod


There is no such thing as extra terrestrial intelligent alien beings.


Well let's just say no known extra terrestrial beings at this point. It might be possible in a universe that is 93 billion light years in diameter with about 2 trillion galaxies with an average of 100 to 400 billion stars per galaxy. Just can't get here from there.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by UncleDave


Let's say all the inertial reduction/ anti grav whiz bang stuff works.

Where does the energy come from to run it?


UD


Beyond my level of understanding. These are things scientists work on and have been trying to accomplish for decades.

The fact is, what these pilots saw and continue to see are real. There is no disputing that. The Navy acknowledged that and so have many former and current military members as well. What they are remains a mystery. They are either terrestrial (hopefully ours) or ET.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 01:10 AM

Good article in Popular Mechanics:

Link

Quote
Nick Cook, the former aviation editor for Jane’s Defense Weekly, says there are a number of reasons why personnel might have boarded ships and seized electronic data. “It could mean it was sensitive information,” he says. “It could mean this was an exercise.”
Regarding the latter possibility—that this was a secret military test of some sort—Cook, a career defense journalist, says in his opinion it was unlikely this was a classified test. “It’s not impossible, but I wouldn’t think it’s likely. It would be so against the norm of my experience with how the black world conducts testing.”
Having spent a decade investigating the potential for secret highly advanced aerospace technology, and publishing these efforts in The Hunt for Zero Point, Cook was cautious in offering any definite conclusions as to what the Nimitz carrier group had encountered. Cook says it’s possible, but not likely, that the “Tic Tac” was some type of classified drone.
“I searched for 10 years, and never found any compelling evidence that the type of technology exists,” Cook says. “[That] doesn’t mean it couldn’t still exist … I just never found any smoking gun for it.”
But when pushed, the career aviation journalist soberly says, “In the balance of probabilities, I don’t think it’s ‘ours’.”
Posted By: LoneRanger

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
They are probably alien, sent here to study how primitives act when facing certain destruction.by their own hand.

Rod


There is no such thing as extra terrestrial intelligent alien beings.


Well let's just say no known extra terrestrial beings at this point. It might be possible in a universe that is 93 billion light years in diameter with about 2 trillion galaxies with an average of 100 to 400 billion stars per galaxy. Just can't get here from there.


That's a pretty big universe we have here. What's outside of it, what lies beyond? Has to have a boundary, yes?
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by LoneRanger
Originally Posted by ragtoplvr
They are probably alien, sent here to study how primitives act when facing certain destruction.by their own hand.

Rod


There is no such thing as extra terrestrial intelligent alien beings.


Well let's just say no known extra terrestrial beings at this point. It might be possible in a universe that is 93 billion light years in diameter with about 2 trillion galaxies with an average of 100 to 400 billion stars per galaxy. Just can't get here from there.


That's a pretty big universe we have here. What's outside of it, what lies beyond? Has to have a boundary, yes?


It's been mentioned before. Evidence so far indicates that the universe is flat. That 93 billion is the visible universe. Flatness means that it is at least 250 to 1000 times bigger than the visible universe. It's unknown how long cosmic inflation lasted so it could be even bigger than that. With dark energy causing the expansion of the universe, you will never get to the boundary because it is expanding faster than you can get there. At least at the speed of light. Basically the universe is 13.8 billion years old but about 46 billion light years in radius. If it wasn't expanding, it would be smaller.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by buster
Originally Posted by UncleDave


Let's say all the inertial reduction/ anti grav whiz bang stuff works.

Where does the energy come from to run it?


UD


Beyond my level of understanding. These are things scientists work on and have been trying to accomplish for decades.



Oh here's an interesting article on gravity. Explain it to me if you know what it's talking about.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...ean-that-quantum-gravity-has-no-symmetry
Posted By: MrQuackers

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by UncleDave


Let's say all the inertial reduction/ anti grav whiz bang stuff works.

Where does the energy come from to run it?


UD


Infinite Improbability Drive

Towel recommended
Posted By: dave1251

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Greggy_D
We've had this technology for decades, as well as the ability of Interstellar travel with the Secret Space Program.

All of this is coming out within the next 1-5 years. There's a reason the Space Force was created.



The space forces is nothing new. It was created so there is one entity responsible for our defense outside our atmosphere. The Navy and Air Force had too much overlap and infighting to be efficient. This could degrade our defense from our adversaries here on Earth. Russia and China have invested heavily in attack the U.S. from space. It is one area we don't have a 2 to 3 decade lead on both countries.

If beings wanted to harm us and they have the technical ability to travel light years and or through dimensional portal's nothing we have here would be of any use.
Posted By: Skippy722

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by dave1251


If beings wanted to harm us and they have the technical ability to travel light years and or through dimensional portal's nothing we have here would be of any use.


All you need is an old PowerBook, a recovered alien craft, and nukes!

[Linked Image from 68.media.tumblr.com]
Posted By: dave1251

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 08:24 AM

That won't work. Will Smith became old.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 08:30 AM

So do we have here another Elizondo?

Quote
Yes, AATIP existed, and it “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena,” Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me. However, he added: “Mr. Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017.”


https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/


No chain of custody:
Quote
True, the videos show some weird stuff. But without a clear chain of custody, we can’t even know whether they were part of AATIP at all, or trust that they haven’t been tampered with.



https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-up-with-those-pentagon-ufo-videos/


Is it the same video?:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conspiracy...boys_youre_about_to_get_learnt_a_little/

MetaBunk Discussion of Videos:

https://www.metabunk.org/go-fast-fo...-stars-academy-bird-balloon.t9569/page-2
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 01:23 PM

https://thekevinroseshow.simplecast.com/episodes/ufos-advanced-navy-fighter-pilot-ryan-graves

Mola those are all old articles. The guy is 💯 legit. The Navy has also acknowledged it.

The question is what are they
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 01:28 PM

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Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 01:35 PM

Elizondo is legit as well despite a few trying to discredit him. Typical. The Navy confirmed the videos were real so Elizondo was right. You can tell the guy is not a phony.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your...-navy-confirms-videos-of-flying-objects/

This was 09/2019
Posted By: LoneRanger

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 03:42 PM

If the tic-tac craft are USAF or otherwise controlled by a domestic agency, why would they be out screwing with a US carrier strike group without any notification to the strike group commander(s)? They would have to see the potential for an intercept and the inherent danger and risk to life and limb that places upon the interceptors and the interceptee. Black agency or not, I don't see them putting naval aviators at risk like that.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 03:47 PM

I’m not sure anyone knows the answer to this other than a very selective few.

We know the event is 100% confirmed. Not only by the Navy, but the distinguished pilots and other Navy officials that spoke out about it.

What they were and why it happened the way it did is still a mystery. This is a very interesting case.

*also they were observed again off the east coast in the last few years.
Posted By: UncleDave

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by LoneRanger
If the tic-tac craft are USAF or otherwise controlled by a domestic agency, why would they be out screwing with a US carrier strike group without any notification to the strike group commander(s)? They would have to see the potential for an intercept and the inherent danger and risk to life and limb that places upon the interceptors and the interceptee. Black agency or not, I don't see them putting naval aviators at risk like that.


Makes no sense. Neither do 40ft objects that routinely defy newtonian physics.

I think the concept of saying they are ours is simply to misdirect as we have no idea what they are or where they come from and that never sounds good coming from a government agency.

If would could mass a fleet of these what would be the point of bothering with carriers and jets when we can just send these things everywhere.

Even if we understood and can emulate the working principles in a lab - we cant generate the energy needed to run the device inside that amount of space.



UD
Posted By: LoneRanger

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 08:57 PM

So if it's generating a vacuum to remove aero dynamic resistance and using anti gravity for propulsion, I'm more interested in how the frick the blister of vacuum around the ship is generated and maintained. How do you emulate a tiny blister of deep space around a craft in full earth atmosphere, and then neutralize gravitational forces and/or re-direct gravitational force or generate it for propulsion?

Dog gone it, this is Star Trek caliber stuff. I'm not trivializing the matter but on the other hand I can't not post this sniplet ...



Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by LoneRanger
So if it's generating a vacuum to remove aero dynamic resistance and using anti gravity for propulsion, I'm more interested in how the frick the blister of vacuum around the ship is generated and maintained. How do you emulate a tiny blister of deep space around a craft in full earth atmosphere, and then neutralize gravitational forces and/or re-direct gravitational force or generate it for propulsion?


You'll have to be abducted, then ask the Aliens that, lol.

UFO
Posted By: KrisZ

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 09:25 PM

You guys should read that deep fake thread we also have going.
Posted By: javacontour

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 09:30 PM

Don't Panic!

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Originally Posted by MrQuackers
Originally Posted by UncleDave


Let's say all the inertial reduction/ anti grav whiz bang stuff works.

Where does the energy come from to run it?


UD


Infinite Improbability Drive

Towel recommended
Posted By: bbhero

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by KrisZ
You guys should read that deep fake thread we also have going.



Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/04/19 11:13 PM

Yeah it's hard to know what is real or not anymore. Information overload. Probably why so many kids today have ADHD.

Terrestrial or Extraterrestrial. I struggle with this. To me it seems more likely that it was a test and they are terrestrial. The way the Navy responded, or should I say didn’t respond is telling to me. On the other hand, these things go waaay back. You’re talking decades. And I don’t think that type of tech was anywhere close to that. Does anyone remember when Bigelow (CEO of Bigelow Aerospace) said aliens are "here right under our noses?" What do you think he meant? Crazy talk I know....

"It's all speculation. Yes US, Russian and Chinese military complex may be figuring out some of the technology behind UFO's. But who rode them 70 years ago is a wild guess.... Not Nazi Germany as some have suggested. So it can be either Terrestrial or Extraterrestrial or even Dimensional. What or whoever pilots these UFO's are way ahead of us. There is evidence they are watching us, especially our nuclear installations. Those may be a threat to our existence but could also affect their stay on Earth if things get out of our hands... Humans should unite to research this subject with the best brains we have at government institutions, universities and private initiatives and military. Learning what or who it is will teach us how to survive the life on this planet including our own."

Or, there never has been ANY contact at all and all of these things are hoaxes, weather balloons, secret military craft, ….you name it.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by buster


Yes US, Russian and Chinese military complex may be figuring out some of the technology behind UFO's. But who rode them 70 years ago is a wild guess.... Not Nazi Germany as some have suggested. So it can be either Terrestrial or Extraterrestrial or even Dimensional. What or whoever pilots these UFO's are way ahead of us. There is evidence they are watching us, especially our nuclear installations. Those may be a threat to our existence but could also affect their stay on Earth if things get out of our hands...

Or, there never has been ANY contact at all and all of these things are hoaxes, weather balloons, secret military craft, ….you name it.


1) We haven't as yet ruled out that what the Navy was supposed to have seen was not real, but rather IR or electronic artifacts, or drones, or simply South American Condors complicated by the tracking perspective.

2) In certain test scenarios algorithms are embedded in the software to simulate targets for combat simulations. If this was really the case, I doubt we will ever know.

3) If these UFO's are dense material objects and not simply plasma's, why haven't aircraft or other objects collided with them with factual damage reports?

4) There are a lot of people trying to make a name for themselves and making various series for the History and Travel Channels by spouting innuendos and presenting questionable witness reports to make a buck, and yet we have no real physical evidence.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 04:02 AM



I actually read the patent and studied one of the papers in the references.


My Physics-based assessments are these:

1) The patent and paper are based totally on theoretical assumptions. For this craft to be manned, one heck of a Faraday Cage would have to implemented to protect the pilot. Another problem is the energy source to power these microwave devices and to create surface charges.

2) As far as I can tell, no engineering of this craft or a physical mockup has ever been done to prove any of the theoretical concepts. Could Area 51 be working on this stuff?

Quite possibly but the history of Area 51 has been such that no advanced craft has ever been divulged until after proof of concept and after it has been tested and flown, and usually only announced after a combat situation.

I seriously question the Navy divulging these patents to the world unless they are simply smokescreens to impress other countries of our potential technological prowess. I.e., see what we have the potential to do if you mess with us!
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 04:18 AM

Maybe they figured out how to use zero point energy?

Anyway, I didn't think they'd patent stuff that had military applications. Did they ever apply for a patent on the atom bomb? Plus patents expire
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Wolf359
Maybe they figured out how to use zero point energy?

Anyway, I didn't think they'd patent stuff that had military applications. Did they ever apply for a patent on the atom bomb? Plus patents expire



Who knows.


Now that we know the pilots saw these objects with their own eyes and not just radar, and have been confirmed as UAPs by the Navy, it begs the question of whether they are some black project or ET. Technology is way ahead of what we are aware of.

So we know these are not birds, we know these things were tracked moving at incredible speeds- 80,000 ft to sea level in .79 seconds. Remarkable.

Radar error had been ruled out.
Posted By: Cujet

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by buster





The fact is, what these pilots saw and continue to see are real. There is no disputing that. The Navy acknowledged that and so have many former and current military members as well. What they are remains a mystery. They are either terrestrial (hopefully ours) or ET.



I could be very wrong, but the videos look just like the imaging artifacts we get on our Gulfstream’s hud and EVS.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 02:48 PM

Im pretty sure these guys are aware of imaging artifacts, radar glitches, birds etc. These are the elite pilots of the world. They are trained to observe. They’ve gone over these possibilities and have rules them out AND saw these things with their own eyes. That’s why I say watch the videos first because people are making comments that are way off base.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 02:52 PM

It’s comical and also insulting to the pilots when people dismiss what they saw as birds and whatever else. Let’s be real here. It’s like someone telling me they didn’t just see an jet plane fly by it was a just a Bald Eagle.

Posted By: ArrestMeRedZ

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 06:30 PM

Back in the 80s I was involved in a Green Flag exercise out of Nellis AFB. Green Flag was a Nellis Red Flag exercise with an extra emphasis on electronic warfare in a joint service environment.
As a part of this exercise we had Navy EA-6B jamming aircraft participating along with Marine F/A-18s. Both state-of-the-art, tip of the spear aircraft at the time.
While I was debriefing Marine fighter pilots they revealed they had been chasing "ghost" targets. Solid radar contacts, good HUD displays, they just flew thru the indicated targets without seeing anything. Suspicion went to the nearby Navy jammer crews, who nodded knowingly, "yup, it was us."
Well, knowing about the configuration of the EA-6Bs, I knew the Navy guys were pulling the Marines legs, and they had nothing to do with the ghost targets. At about that time the PA announced afternoon missions were cancelled due to high winds aloft. A light bulb illuminated in my head.
I asked the Marines what was the clutter notch in their pulse doppler radars. X knots was the reply. Winds aloft were X plus 50+ knots. Normally a pulse doppler radar will reject chaff as a target (hence the pilots did not even consider the possibility their targets were chaff), but when it was blown at the wind speed that day it showed as a valid target. And since every fighter out there that day dispensed self protection chaff, there were a lot of targets. I was probably the one to figure it out because I was used to a conventional airborne radar, and was used to seeing chaff employed against me.
My points.
1. Even highly trained and capable fighter pilots can make mistakes, especially when it involves something outside of their normal experiences.
2. Aircrew are capable of great deceptions if it is funny.

I am not saying this is the case here, but Occam's Razor tells us that an extraterrestrial craft, or a human designed craft that defies what we consider to be the laws of physics is the least likely answer to the observed phenomenon. Not impossible, just not likely.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 07:06 PM

Great points and I agree with you. I just don’t think that is the case here only because the Navy and crew have confirmed it wasn’t that. But to your point, absolutely. I personally don’t think it’s ET. I think it is some sort of military testing. The Navy’s NEMESIS comes to mind. *However as I said earlier these were not just observed on radar. The Navy has also been concerned with air collisions from these things.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by buster
Great points and I agree with you. I just don’t think that is the case here only because the Navy and crew have confirmed it wasn’t that. But to your point, absolutely. I personally don’t think it’s ET. I think it is some sort of military testing. The Navy’s NEMESIS comes to mind. *However as I said earlier these were not just observed on radar. The Navy has also been concerned with air collisions from these things.


It's certainly interesting. But notice how there's no actual collisions and no actual materials to examine? I guess aliens are good at some things, but not at others like stealth technology.

I like how some other poster mentioned that it's either military or aliens. There are more than two possibilities. In fact if you follow the Everett interpretation, ever quantum event creates a new universe and there's an infinite number of them. They're real in the sense that they meet the criteria for unidentified.
Posted By: Yah-Tah-Hey

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 09:25 PM

The line forms here for the latest mumbo-jumbo idiocy.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Wolf359
Originally Posted by buster
Great points and I agree with you. I just don’t think that is the case here only because the Navy and crew have confirmed it wasn’t that. But to your point, absolutely. I personally don’t think it’s ET. I think it is some sort of military testing. The Navy’s NEMESIS comes to mind. *However as I said earlier these were not just observed on radar. The Navy has also been concerned with air collisions from these things.


It's certainly interesting. But notice how there's no actual collisions and no actual materials to examine? I guess aliens are good at some things, but not at others like stealth technology.

I like how some other poster mentioned that it's either military or aliens. There are more than two possibilities. In fact if you follow the Everett interpretation, ever quantum event creates a new universe and there's an infinite number of them. They're real in the sense that they meet the criteria for unidentified.


I wouldn't expect collision necessarily. I'm sure it could happen.

Also, check out the Navy's NEMESIS.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 10:46 PM

95% of UFO's can be explained. However, some people just like to argue. It's not about being curious, open minded or even skeptical. These people are so dense they wouldn't believe it if one landed on their front lawn.
The flip side is you have folks that think a drone from Best Buy is from the Zeta Reticuli Star System.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by buster
95% of UFO's can be explained. However, some people just like to argue. It's not about being curious, open minded or even skeptical. These people are so dense they wouldn't believe it if one landed on their front lawn.
The flip side is you have folks that think a drone from Best Buy is from the Zeta Reticuli Star System.


There's also jumping to conclusion. You have a good basis for an unidentified object. What it actually is is still unknown. You continue to investigate. But don't jump to conclusions.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/05/19 11:26 PM

You are right. thumbsup
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by buster
Now that we know the pilots saw these objects with their own eyes and not just radar, and have been confirmed as UAPs by the Navy, it begs the question of whether they are some black project or ET. Technology is way ahead of what we are aware of.

So we know these are not birds, we know these things were tracked moving at incredible speeds- 80,000 ft to sea level in .79 seconds. Remarkable.


I highly doubt humans have gained this technology yet. 80,000 ft in 0.79 sec is 12 miles/sec. Obviously, there must not have been any air friction on these 40 ft long tic-tac shaped objects in order to do that. And in order to move as fast as they did underwater, again there had to be no water friction on the objects.

These vehicles were probably drone like, unless some kind of insect alien was piloting them that could take around 165 Gs - which is what those objects would have to do in order to go from 80,000 ft to 50 ft in 0.79 sec with max acceleration at mid point before deceleration to zero at 50 ft. My vote is ET.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by buster
95% of UFO's can be explained. However, some people just like to argue. It's not about being curious, open minded or even skeptical. These people are so dense they wouldn't believe it if one landed on their front lawn.
The flip side is you have folks that think a drone from Best Buy is from the Zeta Reticuli Star System.


No, it is not necessarily about being not curious, dense, argumentative or closed minded, but being skeptical and I fall into the latter category when I compare the physics to what is reported or supposedly seen.

As I posted in #5284578, some of the calculations done by the Metabunk participants DO question the resulting images of the technology used so we cannot, at this point in time, rule out that what was seen were artifacts.

MetaBunk Discussion of Videos:

https://www.metabunk.org/go-fast-fo...-stars-academy-bird-balloon.t9569/page-2

As far as the Navy is concerned you can bet your bippy there is a lot of analysis going on as to whether or not these images were real or artifacts, or even concerned about it.

If these were training artifacts embedded into the ship's radar algorithms and the plane's systems, we will never know it. That too, cannot be ruled out.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by buster
Now that we know the pilots saw these objects with their own eyes and not just radar, and have been confirmed as UAPs by the Navy, it begs the question of whether they are some black project or ET. Technology is way ahead of what we are aware of.

So we know these are not birds, we know these things were tracked moving at incredible speeds- 80,000 ft to sea level in .79 seconds. Remarkable.


I highly doubt humans have gained this technology yet. 80,000 ft in 0.79 sec is 12 miles/sec. Obviously, there must not have been any air friction on these 40 ft long tic-tac shaped objects in order to do that. And in order to move as fast as they did underwater, again there had to be no water friction on the objects.

These vehicles were probably drone like, unless some kind of insect alien was piloting them that could take around 165 Gs - which is what those objects would have to do in order to go from 80,000 ft to 50 ft in 0.79 sec with max acceleration at mid point before deceleration to zero at 50 ft. My vote is ET.


I think your math is a little off. 80,000 feet divided by 5280 feet is 15.15 miles. or about 19.18 miles per second. Not exactly light speed, but it's still pretty fast, works out to about 69k per hour. At that speed, you'd expect a huge sonic boom.

Also I think for scientific evidence, you don't actually take a vote.
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Wolf359
I think your math is a little off. 80,000 feet divided by 5280 feet is 15.15 miles. or about 19.18 miles per second.


Yes, fat fingered.

80,000 ft in 0.79 sec while accelerating uniformly from zero to zero velocity would be a peak velocity of around = 101,266 fps at the 40,000 ft mid point, then back to zero at 0 ft.

A .223 Rem muzzle velocity = 2,785 fps.

These objects had a velocity at peak acceleration about 36 times faster than a .223 bullet coming out the barrel of a gun.

Far beyond any human technology IMO. It was either all a complete fake or misunderstanding from everyone involved, or it was ET.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 02:10 AM

cheers

It's good to keep the discussion going. Hopefully in time we'll know more (doubtful). I'm looking forward to hearing what Elizondo has to say going forward.
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 02:23 AM

My calcs above are off if assuming zero to max velocity at 40K ft and then back to zero velocity to 50 ft with uniform acceleration/deceleration. Peak velocity would be at mid-point (40K ft) and would be 202,532 fps ... so about 73 times faster than a .223 at the muzzle. It would also mean a uniform acceleration/deceleration of 15,932 Gs. That's pretty hard to wrap your head around.
Posted By: Cujet

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Wolf359
, about 69k per hour. At that speed, you'd expect a huge sonic boom.



The aerodynamic heating is so severe at such speeds, there would be a whole bunch more than a sonic boom. Shock waves would propagate out in bomb like fashion.

The fact is, it makes no sense and unless it’s a hologram or digital artifact, it’s nothing short of a matter warping miracle.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Cujet
Originally Posted by Wolf359
, about 69k per hour. At that speed, you'd expect a huge sonic boom.


The aerodynamic heating is so severe at such speeds, there would be a whole bunch more than a sonic boom. Shock waves would propagate out in bomb like fashion.


And the shock waves would have caused severe turbulence behind those craft.

In the one video, it appears at least one aircraft is doing a left bank and is continually tracking it. So I too question the reported velocities.

And those shock waves from aerodynamic heating would have shown up in a FLIR display as cones of temperature gradients.
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by MolaKule
In the one video, it appears at least one aircraft is doing a left bank and is continually tracking it. So I too question the reported velocities.


Thought the velocity report came from radar when the objects dropped straight down from 80,000 feet to 50 ft above the ocean surface in 0.79 sec. They weren't flying around at 91 miles/sec all the time from what I gathered.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by Cujet
Originally Posted by Wolf359
, about 69k per hour. At that speed, you'd expect a huge sonic boom.


The aerodynamic heating is so severe at such speeds, there would be a whole bunch more than a sonic boom. Shock waves would propagate out in bomb like fashion.


And the shock waves would have caused severe turbulence behind those craft.

In the one video, it appears at least one aircraft is doing a left bank and is continually tracking it. So I too question the reported velocities.

And those shock waves from aerodynamic heating would have shown up in a FLIR display as cones of temperature gradients.


And at those speeds, even water droplets or water vapor would slice right through any normal material on the periodic table.
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by MolaKule
In the one video, it appears at least one aircraft is doing a left bank and is continually tracking it. So I too question the reported velocities.


Thought the velocity report came from radar when the objects dropped straight down from 80,000 feet to 50 ft above the ocean surface in 0.79 sec. They weren't flying around at 91 miles/sec all the time from what I gathered.


Oh yeah, here's a good calculator:

http://nathangeffen.webfactional.com/spacetravel/spacetravel.php

Basically when you put in 80,000 feet and .79 seconds, you end up with constant acceleration and then deceleration of almost 16k Gs, and maximum speed of 168k miles per hour. Fast but still only 2 hundred of a percent of the speed of light.

With that kind of acceleration, you could go to Neptune in about 5 hours and be at about 97% the speed of light.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 12:57 PM

Healthy skepticism is good. There is more to this.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/navy-pilots-saw-aliens-nope-ufos.html

“ Fravor headed down for a closer look. What happened next was “like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he recounted in a 2017 New York Times article. The object accelerated so fast that it disappeared in a blink of an eye. A pilot in the other F/A-18 has subsequently described the episode similarly; he also says he watched as the object zipped around Fravor’s plane before it darted off in a flash.”

“ Navy admits, “There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years.”

“To be clear, the Navy isn’t endorsing the idea that its sailors have encountered alien spacecraft. But it is acknowledging there have been enough strange aerial sightings by credible and highly trained military personnel that they need to be recorded in the official record and studied—rather than dismissed as some kooky phenomena from the realm of science-fiction.“

“We’re looking to stay neutral and build a coalition of like-minded scientists,” says Rich Hoffman, who does information systems work for the U.S. military and was the lead organizer of the event.“

“ Elizondo went on to insist that “disclosure has occurred” and that UFOs “are real.” Moreover, he added, “We have also established that fact from a national security perspective. You now have people at the highest levels of the United States government and international communities of their governments finally taking this serious, applying real resources, real talent, real expertise to look at this and finally figure out what this is.”
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 01:00 PM

“You could literally plot the entire course of the object, you could extract the densities, the speeds, the way it moved, the way it displaced the air, its radar cross-section, how much of the radar itself was reflected off its surface. I mean you could pretty much recreate the entire event with the CEC data.“


One of Navy radar operators said the images only became more clear as they made adjustments.

On funny note, I had a guy tell me my opinion and guys like Fravors opinions don’t mean anything. He said he was the biggest skeptic until he saw one. He said it changed it life forever. Fair enough until I see one myself I’ll treat the issue with a healthy dose of skepticism.

We can all sit back from our chairs and play internet experts trying to debunk these things.

My gut tells me there is more to this....but I can’t prove it. I’d love to see one myself.
Posted By: Pew

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 02:37 PM

If something really was moving that fast, could we even detect it with our current systems? I'd imagine it would go in and out of any radar we have within a few seconds if not less.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pew
If something really was moving that fast, could we even detect it with our current systems? I'd imagine it would go in and out of any radar we have within a few seconds if not less.


That’s part of the issue. They would move so fast without any heat sink and disappear. The radar system being used was the most advanced in the Navy’s inventory.

My gut tells me these things are either highly advanced drones of some sort, or the Navy’s NEMESIS was at play here.

The least likely explanation is ET. However that can’t be ruled out at this time either.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 06:15 PM

The government can't be trusted either. They have actively used disinformation agents and propaganda to discredit many sources. They've tried to do this with Elizondo. I encourage anyone to listen to Elizondo and judge for yourself. The guy is 100% legit in my eyes.

All of this becomes a giant rabbit hole.

Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 07:14 PM

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Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 08:55 PM

"The objects were detected with a variety of means. Fravor and other pilots saw the UAPs with their own eyes, while the radar operators aboard the nearby guided missile cruiser USS Princeton observed the objects for “several weeks” with their SPY-1 radar system.

Fravor couldn't detect the craft with his APG-73 radar, but Graves was able to do so in 2015 with his new APG-79 active electronically scanned array radar. The APG-79 has increased sensitivity and processing power over the older radar system."
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/06/19 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by buster
Healthy skepticism is good. There is more to this.

https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/navy-pilots-saw-aliens-nope-ufos.html

“ Fravor headed down for a closer look. What happened next was “like nothing I’ve ever seen,” he recounted in a 2017 New York Times article. The object accelerated so fast that it disappeared in a blink of an eye. A pilot in the other F/A-18 has subsequently described the episode similarly; he also says he watched as the object zipped around Fravor’s plane before it darted off in a flash.”


Similar things saw during WWII ... Foo Fighters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter

If they were actually weapons developed by the Germans during WWII, then why was one never recovered by anyone to prove that's what they were. Or no documentation was found to show what they were. The Germans were famous for documenting and recording everything during WWII.

Some other interesting reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/07/19 12:10 AM

Interesting....
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/08/19 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by buster
“You could literally plot the entire course of the object, you could extract the densities, the speeds, the way it moved, the way it displaced the air, its radar cross-section, how much of the radar itself was reflected off its surface. I mean you could pretty much recreate the entire event with the CEC data.“

We can all sit back from our chairs and play internet experts trying to debunk these things.

My gut tells me there is more to this....but I can’t prove it. I’d love to see one myself.


Don't assume those attempting to study these phenomena are debunkers. Many are just trying to figure out the physics of these objects with respect to the frequency spectra, kinematics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics, etc.

I fall into the Skeptic column with respect to the known laws of physics.

Personal Observation: Last summer late at night I was observing a large convective cell moving NW to SE across our area since there was a good possibility we Storm Spotters might be activated that evening by our local EMA.

To the east (well, slightly ESE) and at the cloud base I spotted a very bright object sweeping from South to North and North to South which lasted about 5 minutes and moving very fast. For the last sweep of this object it moved south and then it appeared to descend back toward the North at about an angle of 30 degrees and "poof" it disappeared.

From my vantage point it made an angle of about 15 degrees of arc and after some crude calculations, the velocity 'sweep' of this object was on the order of about 300 miles per hour.

I called in to our radar operator at the EMA who has a 3.5 GHz high resolution radar available to them and he was sweeping the quadrant at the time. I relayed to him what I had seen and he said no hard radar returns of any aircraft or anything else had been seen or recorded, only this 55,000 foot high-top cell moving NW to SE.

This sighting later generated some discussion at the EMA and after some investigation, it was determined to be a very powerful searchlight at a vehicle dealership that was sweeping the skies at a high rate for advertising purposes. The low cloud base combined with the high output and sweep rate of this searchlight produced a bright spot that according to my viewing position, appeared to be an object moving at high velocities, reversing itself very quickly.

Okay, but what about the apparent angled descent of this object? The dealership finally turned off the searchlight as this convective cell moved over the dealership's area since Cloud-to-Ground lightning had increased.

Can anyone guess as to why this light appeared to descend from South to North at an angle?
Posted By: ArrestMeRedZ

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/08/19 11:02 PM

Well, I would say earth curvature, but as we all know, the Earth is flat, so....
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 12:14 AM

[quote=MolaKule
...Can anyone guess as to why this light appeared to descend from South to North at an angle?
[/quote]

Hint: Hybrid Searchlight.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 08:32 PM

Posted By: AC1DD

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Greggy_D
It's slow-drip Disclosure.



Agreed.

One thing I always suspected is that this isn't space travel in the conventional terms, more of a interdimensional aspect to it, and I believe that these UFOs are actually
humanoids from the future or another dimension.
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 09:24 PM

...and the disinformation continues. Quite ridiculous, but not surprising lol

Link
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by buster
“You could literally plot the entire course of the object, you could extract the densities, the speeds, the way it moved, the way it displaced the air, its radar cross-section, how much of the radar itself was reflected off its surface. I mean you could pretty much recreate the entire event with the CEC data.“

We can all sit back from our chairs and play internet experts trying to debunk these things.

My gut tells me there is more to this....but I can’t prove it. I’d love to see one myself.


Don't assume those attempting to study these phenomena are debunkers. Many are just trying to figure out the physics of these objects with respect to the frequency spectra, kinematics, thermodynamics, aerodynamics, etc.

I fall into the Skeptic column with respect to the known laws of physics.

Personal Observation: Last summer late at night I was observing a large convective cell moving NW to SE across our area since there was a good possibility we Storm Spotters might be activated that evening by our local EMA.

To the east (well, slightly ESE) and at the cloud base I spotted a very bright object sweeping from South to North and North to South which lasted about 5 minutes and moving very fast. For the last sweep of this object it moved south and then it appeared to descend back toward the North at about an angle of 30 degrees and "poof" it disappeared.

From my vantage point it made an angle of about 15 degrees of arc and after some crude calculations, the velocity 'sweep' of this object was on the order of about 300 miles per hour.

I called in to our radar operator at the EMA who has a 3.5 GHz high resolution radar available to them and he was sweeping the quadrant at the time. I relayed to him what I had seen and he said no hard radar returns of any aircraft or anything else had been seen or recorded, only this 55,000 foot high-top cell moving NW to SE.

This sighting later generated some discussion at the EMA and after some investigation, it was determined to be a very powerful searchlight at a vehicle dealership that was sweeping the skies at a high rate for advertising purposes. The low cloud base combined with the high output and sweep rate of this searchlight produced a bright spot that according to my viewing position, appeared to be an object moving at high velocities, reversing itself very quickly.

Okay, but what about the apparent angled descent of this object? The dealership finally turned off the searchlight as this convective cell moved over the dealership's area since Cloud-to-Ground lightning had increased.

Can anyone guess as to why this light appeared to descend from South to North at an angle?



thumbsup
Posted By: Wolf359

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by AC1DD
Agreed.

One thing I always suspected is that this isn't space travel in the conventional terms, more of a interdimensional aspect to it, and I believe that these UFOs are actually
humanoids from the future or another dimension.


You're not talking about dimensions like string theory are you? Only theory that really talks about other dimensions but at a very small scale and it's all still a theory anyway.

Anyway believe it or not, I'd be more likely to buy that it's aliens from another star system than anything like dimensional travel and time travel. You could do aliens from another star system with general relativity, quantum mechanics, no need for even string theory. Just takes time. The whole speed thing is questionable, optical illusions, instrument jamming is more likely than actually being able to do all that. There's also wormholes, but I don't think anything can survive transiting it, but maybe some other intelligence figured it out. Anyway, lots of other possibilities too, people go to magic shows, maybe someone just put a magic show for fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTa9YcTe1k&ab_channel=PBSSpaceTime
Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/09/19 11:35 PM

Back to the OP, IF what was observed by the pilots are in fact actual craft, it's pretty exciting whether it's terrestrial or ET. That to me doesn't matter much.

I used to be the biggest skeptic. I wouldn't even bother with UFO research. I was close-minded to it. Over time I've read quite a bit and realized there is something to some of these cases, things that are possible quite extraordinary. Decades of outdated & dogmatic thinking along with consistently faulty assumptions pushes some skeptics beyond the realm of reasonable discussion, and into fairyland.

Cases like the Ariel School UFO in Zimbabwe, Nimitz, Japan Airlines Flight 1628 and others, where the skeptics don't seem to realize how ridiculous their suggestions are, compared to the actually not so ridiculous theory that.... perhaps it is more than that.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/10/19 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by buster
...Decades of outdated & dogmatic thinking along with consistently faulty assumptions pushes some skeptics beyond the realm of reasonable discussion, and into fairyland.

Cases like the Ariel School UFO in Zimbabwe, Nimitz, Japan Airlines Flight 1628 and others, where the skeptics don't seem to realize how ridiculous their suggestions are, compared to the actually not so ridiculous theory that.... perhaps it is more than that.


I don't think sweeping generalizations help this discussion since you have dogmatists on both sides of the fence.

Look at ball lightning. We know it exists and many people have had first hand experiences with it and there have been many observations of it, and in many instances it was mis-identified as UFO's. It has been produced in the lab on a small scale but only recently has there been a theory developed to describe it: "...produced from electric fields caused by the accumulation of ions..."

JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 117, D19107, 2012.

PROGRESS IN PHYSICS Volume 12 (2016) Issue 3 (April–July)




Posted By: buster

Re: Tic Tac - Anti-Gravity - 12/10/19 01:04 AM

I don't disagree. I will would add though that ball lighting shouldn't be confused with craft that move in an intelligent manner. Something that sits in one place for a period of time, then shoots off up into space etc. But you're right a lot of people jump to conclusions much too fast. A UFO is simply an unidentified flying object, most of which can be eventually identified.
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