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Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters?

Posted By: PantherFan88

Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 03:18 AM

Been using nothing but MC FL820s filters on every Ford panther chassis I've owned, but among CVN, BITOG and other platforms, it seems like the tearing media problem is persisting or worsening...

What are some of the local favorites in regards to alternatives for the venerable 2v 4.6? Considering the Napa Gold or Bosch? Opinions welcome!
Posted By: SubieRubyRoo

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 03:30 AM

Napa Gold. See if your local stores have the biannual filter sales, and stock up then for around $4/filter. Bosch is just rebranded Purolator and they don't make the D+ anymore, which was really the only good Bosch anyways.
Posted By: JayhawkRoy

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 03:36 AM

I have used Wix, Microguard, Fram and my trucks have all survived.
Posted By: Marco620

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 03:38 AM

Napa filter sale is in March I believe.
Posted By: SubieRubyRoo

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 04:09 AM

Marco, the dates float some, depending on location. My 4 local stores never match by more than a day or two for any given sale, so I get ~3 weeks to buy cheap Golds, depending on how far I want to drive for them. Two of them also have Fall sales. YMMV
Posted By: PantherFan88

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 04:21 AM

Thanks for the tips! I will be sure to keep a lookout
Posted By: TXCarGeek

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 04:29 AM

I went with a Tough Guard in lieu of the FL820S that I had always used. Ultras have a good reputation on here but I don't run long enough OCIs to take advantage of the Ultras extended life.
Posted By: tundraotto

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by TXCarGeek
I went with a Tough Guard in lieu of the FL820S that I had always used. Ultras have a good reputation on here but I don't run long enough OCIs to take advantage of the Ultras extended life.


- but, but, what about the extra filtering efficiency!?
Posted By: oldhp

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 07:25 AM

NAPA Silver 31372. $4.49. Done.
Posted By: TXCarGeek

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by tundraotto
Originally Posted by TXCarGeek
I went with a Tough Guard in lieu of the FL820S that I had always used. Ultras have a good reputation on here but I don't run long enough OCIs to take advantage of the Ultras extended life.


- but, but, what about the extra filtering efficiency!?


My poor engine crzy
Posted By: tundraotto

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 08:02 AM

banana welcome
Posted By: ZeeOSix

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by tundraotto
Originally Posted by TXCarGeek
I went with a Tough Guard in lieu of the FL820S that I had always used. Ultras have a good reputation on here but I don't run long enough OCIs to take advantage of the Ultras extended life.


- but, but, what about the extra filtering efficiency!?


TG and XG efficiency is basically the same. Using an XG over a TG would probably be for other reasons beside efficiency difference.
Posted By: Lubener

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 10:40 AM

I'm with you and won't use any 820's because of sloppy construction.I picked up several Fram Tough guards reduced at W.M. last year. I have been pleased with them in my Ford 4.6 and no start up rattle either.
Posted By: dlundblad

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 11:11 AM

Had no idea the crown vic/ town car was called the panther chassis. Very interesting.

If you’ve been using the 820s this whole time, the Fram Extra Guard is an excellent replacement. WIX works too if you want to spend the extra money.
Posted By: bullwinkle

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 01:16 PM

Or you can be like me and use an Ultra for multiple oil changes, as long as your engine is clean, I just changed 6 quarts of Magnatec yesterday at 7500 miles, leaving the Ultra on for at least another 7500.
Posted By: atikovi

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by PantherFan88
but among CVN, BITOG and other platforms, it seems like the tearing media problem is persisting or worsening...


But of course, you believe everything you read on the internet?
Posted By: JLTD

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by PantherFan88
Been using nothing but MC FL820s filters on every Ford panther chassis I've owned, but among CVN, BITOG and other platforms, it seems like the tearing media problem is persisting or worsening...

What are some of the local favorites in regards to alternatives for the venerable 2v 4.6? Considering the Napa Gold or Bosch? Opinions welcome!


Fram Ultra?
Posted By: bullwinkle

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by JLTD
Originally Posted by PantherFan88
Been using nothing but MC FL820s filters on every Ford panther chassis I've owned, but among CVN, BITOG and other platforms, it seems like the tearing media problem is persisting or worsening...

What are some of the local favorites in regards to alternatives for the venerable 2v 4.6? Considering the Napa Gold or Bosch? Opinions welcome!


Fram Ultra?
Only bad thing about the XG2 Ultra is that they seem to be hard to find cheap, the eBay 6 packs aren't available often. I used the Affinia & Champ CQ Blue ones for a while, but I started having startup noise if it sat for more than a couple days (ADBV leakage). I have had ZERO issues with the Ultra, and barring rust or road debris damage I an going to run THREE 7500 mile OCIs on the XG2 that's on there now, I'll cut & post it in another 15K.
Posted By: Bettez88

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Or you can be like me and use an Ultra for multiple oil changes, as long as your engine is clean, I just changed 6 quarts of Magnatec yesterday at 7500 miles, leaving the Ultra on for at least another 7500.


I’m debating on doing that with my wife’s fit but apparently you can run the Oem filter for two 7,500 oci. Not sure
Posted By: Linctex

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by TXCarGeek
I went with a Tough Guard in lieu of the FL820S that I had always used. Ultras have a good reputation on here but I don't run long enough OCIs to take advantage of the Ultras extended life.


This ^^
You can't go wrong with a tough guard

15,000 miles on this one

Fram TG10575 cut open 15,000 mi (2 OCI)
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4426839/
Posted By: Linctex

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bettez88

I’m debating on doing that with my wife’s fit but apparently you can run the Oem filter for two 7,500 oci. Not sure


I have gone much longer than 2 oil change intervals on some filters.
Posted By: mpgo4th

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by PantherFan88
but among CVN, BITOG and other platforms, it seems like the tearing media problem is persisting or worsening...


But of course, you believe everything you read on the internet?


Believe what you want. I've personally found 2 torn Fl820s this last year in the 7 trucks I have. I've also found 1 Fl500s with a tear. I posted these with pictures on this site. The internet might not be to cause of this problem.
Posted By: TXCarGeek

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/18/20 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Linctex
Originally Posted by TXCarGeek
I went with a Tough Guard in lieu of the FL820S that I had always used. Ultras have a good reputation on here but I don't run long enough OCIs to take advantage of the Ultras extended life.


This ^^
You can't go wrong with a tough guard

15,000 miles on this one

Fram TG10575 cut open 15,000 mi (2 OCI)
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4426839/


Looks very good! I'm running two tough guards and one ultra on my three vehicles that spin on canisters...I'll be cutting open all of the Frams to see how they've held up.

As an aside, I see you're from Waco...I'm a Baylor grad and am now in the Corpus Christi area. Really enjoyed my time in Waco and love visiting!
Posted By: MRtv

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/20/20 06:10 AM

Luckily I have only one FL820 left in my stash. I don't run my oil very long in my engine. Nothing beyond 5K. Usually a bit less. So I will use up this last filter and then use the ST2 filters I have. I checked out the new orange Fram filters while at WM this week and I think they looked pretty good. I may try one. I have missed the black grip on the ends of Frams but have been avoiding them for years.
Posted By: Falcon_LS

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/20/20 09:49 AM

Fram Ultra XG2, never looked back.
Posted By: BlueOvalFitter

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/20/20 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by PantherFan88
Been using nothing but MC FL820s filters on every Ford panther chassis I've owned, but among CVN, BITOG and other platforms, it seems like the tearing media problem is persisting or worsening...

What are some of the local favorites in regards to alternatives for the venerable 2v 4.6? Considering the Napa Gold or Bosch? Opinions welcome!

NAPA GOLD, M1, BOSCH, and WIX, are good selections.
Posted By: cronk

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/22/20 12:23 AM

Ive been running the Amsoil filter on my Ford Superduty that calls for an fl820s. I really like the over all build quality and efficiency of the Amsoil filter. They are expensive, but I only change it once a year.
My other choice would be Wix/napa gold, also a well built filter.
Posted By: tundraotto

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/22/20 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by cronk
Ive been running the Amsoil filter on my Ford Superduty that calls for an fl820s. I really like the over all build quality and efficiency of the Amsoil filter. They are expensive, but I only change it once a year.
My other choice would be Wix/napa gold, also a well built filter.


What is the efficiency of the AMSOIL filter?
Posted By: BLND1

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/22/20 02:44 AM

Or a Fram Ultra xg2 for $8.97 at Walmart.
Posted By: Sayjac

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/22/20 12:48 PM

As I can purchase Napa Gold for ~$4 twice yearly at my local Napa store, I'd likely go with the equivalent Gold 1372.
Posted By: D1dad

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/22/20 01:15 PM

I’ve ran motorcraft filters for years and never had one fail, then again I’ve never cut any filter open. In fact the only filter I have any knowledge of failing was my buddies Tahoe had a Fram burst but luckily he caught it before it did any damage. He started his car one morning in the winter and when he came back out he noticed oil running down the drive way. Lost a couple qts but didn’t run the sump dry.
Posted By: blupupher

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/22/20 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by D1dad
I’ve ran motorcraft filters for years and never had one fail, then again I’ve never cut any filter open. In fact the only filter I have any knowledge of failing was my buddies Tahoe had a Fram burst but luckily he caught it before it did any damage. He started his car one morning in the winter and when he came back out he noticed oil running down the drive way. Lost a couple qts but didn’t run the sump dry.

So since you did not see it, it never happened?

And for your buddy, was it a can failure or a o-ring failure (ie double gasket).
That is the thing with supposed Fram failures, it is always a friends uncle's dads cousin's sister that had it happen, never first person.
Posted By: cronk

Re: Seeing more FL820s failures... suggestions for other filters? - 01/23/20 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by tundraotto
Originally Posted by cronk
Ive been running the Amsoil filter on my Ford Superduty that calls for an fl820s. I really like the over all build quality and efficiency of the Amsoil filter. They are expensive, but I only change it once a year.
My other choice would be Wix/napa gold, also a well built filter.


What is the efficiency of the AMSOIL filter?

98.7% @ 20 microns
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