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Posted By: Pablo

Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 10:18 AM

Quote:
New CVT Fluid Expands Market for Dealers

Posted: May 1, 2014 - New Product

AMSOIL Synthetic CVT Fluid (CVT) provides outstanding protection and performance for continuously variable transmissions (CVTs) throughout vehicle manufacturer-recommended drain intervals. Its exceptional metal-to-metal frictional properties help prevent belt and chain slipping for smooth, trouble-free operation. AMSOIL CVT Fluid resists oxidation and wear for maximum CVT life. It provides excellent wet-clutch performance for outstanding anti-shudder durability and reduced noise and vibration. AMSOIL CVT Fluid is Warranty Secure and will not void vehicle warranties.

The top markets for AMSOIL CVT Fluid include independent transmission shops, independent auto repair shops (especially those specializing in Asian vehicles) and do-it-yourselfers. With vehicle-manufacturer-branded fluids often costing $20 or more a quart and very few competing products on the market, AMSOIL CVT Fluid offers a cost-effective, premium-quality alternative, saving customers money and allowing higher profit margins for installers.


Amsoil CVT
Posted By: OldSparks

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 12:47 PM

Good to know. I will be changing my CVT fluid this summer...

Thanx
Posted By: rshaw125

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 01:14 PM

$13.70 a quart. wow.
Posted By: dparm

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 01:43 PM

Awesome. How about some dual-clutch fluid too? :-)
Posted By: Miller88

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: rshaw125
$13.70 a quart. wow.


I believe Nissan charges $40 a quart or something even higher.
Posted By: IndyIan

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 02:02 PM

I wonder how different the CVT fluid is compared to tractor fluild? Seems to have all the same basic requirements, with friction modifiers to prevent wet brake and clutch chatter.
Posted By: 901Memphis

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 02:11 PM

I've always wondered why amsoil didn't have a cvt flui, iI guess it was in the works.

Pretty ridiculous how much some of the oem cvt fluid is.
Posted By: The Critic

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
$13.70 a quart. wow.


I believe Nissan charges $40 a quart or something even higher.


The Nissan stuff is somewhere in the $15-$20/qt range. Not too bad.

Considering that Nissan extended the warranty on these units to 10/120k, using an aftermarket fluid is not something that should be done without some thought.

What color is this fluid? Does it at least match the same color as the OEM fluid?

Despite the wear comparison on the page, I am still a bit skeptical of this fluid given the wide range of applications that it is suitable for.

CVTs live-and-die by the correct fluid -- the belts are HIGHLY dependent upon very specific frictional properties in order to survive.
Posted By: The Critic

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
I've always wondered why amsoil didn't have a cvt flui, iI guess it was in the works.

Pretty ridiculous how much some of the oem cvt fluid is.


One of the Amsoil engineers once told me that the CVT is "dead," and stepped gear automatics are taking over the market. Of course, he is clearly wrong again...

The OEM CVT fluids really aren't that much more expensive. Most of them are lifetime fill anyway and should last 120k +.

Even the Nissan CVT fluid life monitor rarely asks for a change during the term of most ownerships.
Posted By: Miller88

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/02/14 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: rshaw125
$13.70 a quart. wow.


I believe Nissan charges $40 a quart or something even higher.


The Nissan stuff is somewhere in the $15-$20/qt range. Not too bad.

Considering that Nissan extended the warranty on these units to 10/120k, using an aftermarket fluid is not something that should be done without some thought.

What color is this fluid? Does it at least match the same color as the OEM fluid?

Despite the wear comparison on the page, I am still a bit skeptical of this fluid given the wide range of applications that it is suitable for.

CVTs live-and-die by the correct fluid -- the belts are HIGHLY dependent upon very specific frictional properties in order to survive.


Dealer markup maybe? I have heard of $400 CVT fluid changes at the dealer.

$400 for a fluid change, and they still won't go 100K miles without failing.
Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 02:30 AM

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Does it at least match the same color as the OEM fluid?



You do know that oil color is from an oil soluble dye? Color doesn't matter.
Posted By: Unicorn01

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 07:29 AM

I'm assuming the color is to make it harder for the dealer or factory to say you used the wrong fluid?

Nissan dropped their warranty back to the 60k miles in 2012 I think it was. They became confident in their CVT I guess.
Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Pablo
You do know that oil color is from an oil soluble dye? Color doesn't matter.

Until it is warranty time then it raises a red flag. If it matched then they wouldn't think anything of it. The 2013+ pathfinder and infiniti JX35/QX60 both use a new cvt and tons of people are having shudder problems and nissan seems to not be able to figure out a fix for it. My wifes new QX60 only has around 400 miles on it. I thought about switching to the amsoil cvt but wont out of fear they will deny warranty if she develops the shudder problem.
Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 01:21 PM

If they deny warranty for using a correct aftermarket fluid, they will be in violation of USA law. Amsoil CVT will not in any way violate your warranty. Color does not matter.

I understand your automobile is a huge investment. I think this is why I would want something better than the Nissan NS-2.
The shudder is fluid related:

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In the JASO LVFA Anti-Shudder Durability Test, AMSOIL CVT Fluid lasted six times longer, translating into improved anti-shudder durability and reduced noise, vibration and harshness.
Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 02:53 PM

The new CVT uses NS-3. This is what the amsoil site says



Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 05:11 PM

I didn't know we are talking 2014. Thanks.
Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Pablo
I didn't know we are talking 2014. Thanks.

2013 pathfinder and jx35 uses the same cvt as the 2014 pathfinder and QX60 (QX60 is the new name for the JX35). So maybe amsoil just hasn't tested and verified that the new fluid will work correctly with these new cvt's? I would love to hear that the new amsoil cvt fluid meets or exceeds specs and wont void the warranty because I would switch it right away while it is still new.
Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 05:43 PM

I have asked Amsoil Tech.

Is Nissan officially saying NS-3 can be used in place of NS-2 in earlier NS-2 applications? Google provided no authoritative answer.
Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/03/14 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Pablo
I have asked Amsoil Tech.
Is Nissan officially saying NS-3 can be used in place of NS-2 in earlier NS-2 applications? Google provided no authoritative answer.

That is a good question. I know her new car specs NS-3 but doesnt say anything about the previous NS-2

The manual says

" Use only Genuine NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-3. Using transmission fluid other than Genuine NISSAN CVT Fluid NS-3 will damage the CVT, which is not covered by the NISSAN new vehicle limited warranty."
Posted By: The Critic

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/04/14 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Pablo
If they deny warranty for using a correct aftermarket fluid, they will be in violation of USA law. Amsoil CVT will not in any way violate your warranty. Color does not matter.

I understand your automobile is a huge investment. I think this is why I would want something better than the Nissan NS-2.

Typical Amsoil salesman speak.

Sure, the mfg may technically be in "violation" of the act, but good luck with escalating the matter with Nissan.
While you are busy fighting them on the issue, your vehicle is out of service and you are majorly inconvenienced.
The sad part is that if the person had simply left the ORIGINAL fluid in the transmission, there would've been no issue at all.
As usual, avoidance is generally the better strategy. And besides, there's nothing to suggest that better anti-shudder protection of the fluid will fix the issue...that is pure speculation on your part.
Posted By: The Critic

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/04/14 03:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Miller88

Dealer markup maybe? I have heard of $400 CVT fluid changes at the dealer.

$400 for a fluid change, and they still won't go 100K miles without failing.


Says who?

My dealer charges $189 for a drain and refill. $400 is probably about right for a full flush, since the fluid costs $15-$20/qt and you need 15 quarts. The service is generally unnecessary though, since you need to check the CVT fluid deterioration value using the factory scan tool in order to determine the need for a fluid change...it is not uncommon for the fluid to be good for well over 100k.

The failure stories are way overblown. Sure, they may have been some issues with the early Murano trannys, but some of those CVT failures were attributed to leaking CVT fluid due to a bad seal between the tranny and the transfer case, causing fluid loss.

Nissan has stood behind the transmissions very well with the 10/120k warranty, and based on the sales and overall experiences reported with the mass-produced 07-12 Altima, the CVT has been very successful.
Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/04/14 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: Miller88

Dealer markup maybe? I have heard of $400 CVT fluid changes at the dealer.

$400 for a fluid change, and they still won't go 100K miles without failing.


Says who?

My dealer charges $189 for a drain and refill. $400 is probably about right for a full flush, since the fluid costs $15-$20/qt and you need 15 quarts. The service is generally unnecessary though, since you need to check the CVT fluid deterioration value using the factory scan tool in order to determine the need for a fluid change...it is not uncommon for the fluid to be good for well over 100k.

The failure stories are way overblown. Sure, they may have been some issues with the early Murano trannys, but some of those CVT failures were attributed to leaking CVT fluid due to a bad seal between the tranny and the transfer case, causing fluid loss.

Nissan has stood behind the transmissions very well with the 10/120k warranty, and based on the sales and overall experiences reported with the mass-produced 07-12 Altima, the CVT has been very successful.



The problem is the NEW CVT that came out in 2013 is having a ton of shudder problems.
Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/04/14 02:52 PM

Originally Posted By: ProStreetCamaro

The problem is the NEW CVT that came out in 2013 is having a ton of shudder problems.


And frankly there were problems before that - that you and I know were mostly caused by the fluid itself.

Originally Posted By: The Critic


Typical Amsoil salesman speak.

Sure, the mfg may technically be in "violation" of the act, but good luck with escalating the matter with Nissan.

While you are busy fighting them on the issue, your vehicle is out of service and you are majorly inconvenienced.

The sad part is that if the person had simply left the ORIGINAL fluid in the transmission, there would've been no issue at all.

As usual, avoidance is generally the better strategy. And besides, there's nothing to suggest that better anti-shudder protection of the fluid will fix the issue...that is pure speculation on your part.


When in doubt throw the salesman thing out there. I'm not pretending to be a know it all on this situation. But I do know one thing, for every one rare warranty delay situation, there are thousands of cases when the dealers immediately back down.

I'm not sure why you are so against seeking a better solution. I mean when you turn into Mr. Detail, I'm pretty sure you are not just following what the factory says. You've done nothing but disparage Amsoil, and the new CVT fluid when in reality you know nothing about it. Amsoil seeks a BETTER than solution. In both Engineering and real life avoidance is NOT always a better solution. In fact AVOIDANCE is sometimes the worst decision ever.

I would say much of the shudder is indeed caused by a low bidder inferior factory fluid. Why anyone would be satisfied with that as a internet armchair proposed solution seems seriously weak at best.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/04/14 11:42 PM

Quote:
Despite the wear comparison on the page, I am still a bit skeptical of this fluid given the wide range of applications that it is suitable for.


I think that the additive suppliers have this wide range fluid applicability down to a science, well that is really what is, science.


Quote:
CVTs live-and-die by the correct fluid -- the belts are HIGHLY dependent upon very specific frictional properties in order to survive.


Belts are dependent upon the correct Traction coefficient.

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The coefficient of traction is defined as the usable force for traction divided by the weight on the running gear (wheels, tracks etc.)[5][6] i.e.:

Usable Traction = Coefficient of Traction x Normal Force

Factors affecting coefficient of traction[edit]
Traction between two surfaces depends on several factors:

Material composition of each surface.

Macroscopic and microscopic shape (texture; macrotexture and microtexture)

Normal force pressing contact surfaces together.
Contaminants at the material boundary including lubricants and adhesives.

Relative motion of tractive surfaces - a sliding object (one in kinetic friction) has less traction than a non-sliding object (one...)

Check WIKI.



I just wish Amsoil would introduce a low viscosity (6.1 [email protected], 38 [email protected]) MTF.

If they want to know how to do it or need a consultant, I know a guy who can help. grin2
Posted By: buster

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/05/14 12:04 AM

The NS-3 fluid makes me wonder how similar/compatible they are. Subaru in particular isn't having any CVT issues at all. I wonder how their fluid compares to Nissan's NS-2 and NS-3?

Amsoil goes for the niche market, which makes sense for them. This is one fluid though I would probably not want to use. However, it's good there is the option if need be.
Posted By: mcrn

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/06/14 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: buster
The NS-3 fluid makes me wonder how similar/compatible they are. Subaru in particular isn't having any CVT issues at all. I wonder how their fluid compares to Nissan's NS-2 and NS-3?

Amsoil goes for the niche market, which makes sense for them. This is one fluid though I would probably not want to use. However, it's good there is the option if need be.



I believe that the Subaru is using a chain CVT and not a belt?
Posted By: buster

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/06/14 11:21 PM

^ correct.
Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 05/07/14 12:29 AM

Amsoil CVT is NOT recommended for nor has it been tested in NS-3 applications.
Posted By: m4gician

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 12/09/14 03:15 PM

Hey guys,

Found the link here: http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/tr.../?code=CVTQT-EA

And i'll be using it in an NS-2 tranny in my nissan murano.

Any cheaper deals? Amazon and Ebay had nothing. Is there a wholesaler of choice that carries this stuff?

Does anyone in Canada carry this stuff? I've called a few local guys and they said no.
Posted By: IveBeenRued

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 12/09/14 03:33 PM

Just become a preferred member under Pablo (ZO# 515729). It will cost you $10 for 6 months and then you can buy the CVT fluid at wholesale prices. Just go to amsoil.com and click on the "Buy Wholesale" button on the top. Then click the green "Click here to Become a preferred customer" button. Add the 6 month trial for $10 to your cart and you will immediatly be able to price the CVT fluid at the wholesale prices. Here are the Canada shipping rates. When you check out you will be asked who referred you and just put ZO# 51572.
Posted By: Pablo

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 12/10/14 12:22 AM

Originally Posted By: IveBeenRued
Just become a preferred member under Pablo (ZO# 515729). It will cost you $10 for 6 months and then you can buy the CVT fluid at wholesale prices. Just go to amsoil.com and click on the "Buy Wholesale" button on the top. Then click the green "Click here to Become a preferred customer" button. Add the 6 month trial for $10 to your cart and you will immediatly be able to price the CVT fluid at the wholesale prices. Here are the Canada shipping rates. When you check out you will be asked who referred you and just put ZO# 515729.


Thanks for that. Note the # is 515729

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Posted By: atfadapter

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 03/15/18 02:13 PM

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Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 03/23/18 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: IndyIan
I wonder how different the CVT fluid is compared to tractor fluild? Seems to have all the same basic requirements, with friction modifiers to prevent wet brake and clutch chatter.


Necro post but see:

Nissan CVT Fluid 1

and

Nissan CVT Fluid 2

These CVT fluids are very, very different from Step-Shift transmission fluids and tractor fluids.

Each application has a completely different set of requirements and additive chemstries.

None of these fluids are interchangeable across applications.

E.g, do not put a Step-Shift ATF fluid in a CVT or a tractor fluid in ANY AT transmission, or a CVT fluid in a Step-Shift transmission.

BTW, the Amsoil CVT fluid has been upgraded to cover Nissan's NS-3 CVT spec.




Posted By: StevieC

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 08/29/18 09:36 PM

Amsoil has a great application guide with accurate specs on which product to use in which model of cars. I would highly advise using that. I have been using Amsoil oil and Transmission fluid for almost 2 decades and have tons of miles on original engines and transmissions without issues that are always spotlessly clean. They know their stuff that is for sure.

I would also highly recommend their CVT fluid over the Nissan fluid. When the CVT failures were happening in the first generation Nissan transmissions Amsoil studied the problem and developed a fluid based on their transmissions and it outperforms Nissan fluid hands down. They have pictures on their site showing the differences.
Posted By: benjy

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 08/31/18 06:16 PM

everything OE is manufactured to a price point for the profit desired!! aftermarket is similar + seeing Amsoils prices it should be better a LOT better!!! since they answer NO questions about the makeup of their lubes i QUIT using them, your $$$ + choice.
Posted By: JeffKeryk

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 09/03/18 02:08 PM

For the Nissan NS-3 crowd:
I did 2 spill-and-fills on an abused 80K mile 2015 Altima. Used Valvoline CVT fluid.
Really smoothed out that tranny.
Fluid was less that $10 per quart.
Posted By: xxch4osxx

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 09/29/18 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by dparm
Awesome. How about some dual-clutch fluid too? :-)


Amsoil now has DCT fluid smile
Posted By: PetitFrereArmada

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 12/07/18 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
For the Nissan NS-3 crowd:
I did 2 spill-and-fills on an abused 80K mile 2015 Altima. Used Valvoline CVT fluid.
Really smoothed out that tranny.
Fluid was less that $10 per quart.


I want to second this also.

A few months back, I went to Advance Auto Parts and was lucky to find Castrol CVT for $5 a bottle. I bought 5 and did a transmission fluid change on my 2008 Nissan Maxima. Car drives great. Transmission shifts like butter. Car has 243,500 miles on odometer as I am typing this. Plus, I am the original owner. I bought it brand new in 2008 and have changed the transmission fluid probably like 4 times now. This was the first time I have used something else other than Nissan CVT fluid.

I am sure Valvoline CVT fluid too would offer the same kind of protection.

I wish the day I had bought the fluid, I could have bought enough to change my fluid again like 6 months down the road just because I got it super cheap.
Posted By: vssjim

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 12/31/18 04:47 AM

When a trans or cvt fails normally the fluid is all the same black HA!
Posted By: D1dad

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 06/10/19 12:48 PM

I used castrol cvt in my wife’s Murano after the 10/120k warranty expired and it was fine for around 100k and I never had the dealer service it. My altima had dealer service at recommended intervals and it failed at 90k. Nissan never batted an eye and replaced it the next day. My wife’s 2018 rogue has a cvt but feels nothing like the first ones, it actually shifts like a normal tranny.
Posted By: D1dad

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 06/10/19 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by vssjim
When a trans or cvt fails normally the fluid is all the same black HA!

Not when mine failed. Clear as day and no burnt smell. My cvt didn’t actually fail, it just started whining during a hot trip home from stlouis.
Posted By: Solarent

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 08/08/19 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by IndyIan
I wonder how different the CVT fluid is compared to tractor fluild? Seems to have all the same basic requirements, with friction modifiers to prevent wet brake and clutch chatter.


Necro post but see:

Nissan CVT Fluid 1

and

Nissan CVT Fluid 2

These CVT fluids are very, very different from Step-Shift transmission fluids and tractor fluids.

Each application has a completely different set of requirements and additive chemstries.

None of these fluids are interchangeable across applications.

E.g, do not put a Step-Shift ATF fluid in a CVT or a tractor fluid in ANY AT transmission, or a CVT fluid in a Step-Shift transmission.

BTW, the Amsoil CVT fluid has been upgraded to cover Nissan's NS-3 CVT spec.



I've always been told the same thing - and believe you are right... but have you seen this?

Originally Posted by Afton Chemical
Traditionally, the only way to formulate both step-type and continuously variable transmission fluids required separate additives to achieve specification level performance. Not anymore. Afton’s new technology, the HiTEC® 3488 allows for premium-tier formulations for both CVT and ATF fluids.


Hitec 3488
More Info.
Posted By: MolaKule

Re: Amsoil CVT Fluid - 09/05/19 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Solarent

...I've always been told the same thing - and believe you are right... but have you seen this?

Originally Posted by Afton Chemical
Traditionally, the only way to formulate both step-type and continuously variable transmission fluids required separate additives to achieve specification level performance. Not anymore. Afton’s new technology, the HiTEC® 3488 allows for premium-tier formulations for both CVT and ATF fluids.


Hitec 3488
More Info.
...

Yes, as Afton sent me a brochure and a letter.

I have requested data showing CVT traction coefficients and Step-Shift Mu(v) tests in example base oils.

Still waiting.
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