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New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90

Posted By: SubLGT

New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/22/19 06:59 PM

https://www.tirereview.com/bridgestone-introduces-new-winter-passenger-tire/

https://www.moderntiredealer.com/news/732751/bridgestone-introduces-the-blizzak-ws90-winter-tire



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Based on dealer feedback, the Blizzak WS90 has also been engineered to be more durable. With a 30% more block stiffness in its tread pattern, the company says drivers can expect to get an extra winter season out of the new design when compared to its predecessor, the WS80.
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/22/19 07:36 PM

Considering WS80 lateral ice performance, not surprising they replaced it so fast.
Edit: Design looks like DM-V2.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/22/19 08:56 PM

[Linked Image]

Looks like there is less siping density in the new one.
Posted By: KGMtech

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/22/19 09:17 PM

I have the WS80's on my Maxima, these new versions should be well established when I need to re-tire.
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/22/19 10:09 PM

A few more photos here:

https://www.tirebusiness.com/articl...test-blizzak-offers-longer-life-enhanced

Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/22/19 10:28 PM

Hey Michelin, wake up hornets

Will you ever come out with a successor to the "aged" Xi3?

You have this "advanced rubber compound" in your new studded tire that has a glass transition temperature of -85f ! Sounds perfect for a XIce Xi4.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/23/19 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by SubLGT
Hey Michelin, wake up hornets

Will you ever come out with a successor to the "aged" Xi3?

You have this "advanced rubber compound" in your new studded tire that has a glass transition temperature of -85f ! Sounds perfect for a XIce Xi4.



Not to mention, Michelin has a dual layer technology also, from the Alpin 6.
Posted By: SOHCman

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/23/19 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by SubLGT
Hey Michelin, wake up hornets

Will you ever come out with a successor to the "aged" Xi3?

You have this "advanced rubber compound" in your new studded tire that has a glass transition temperature of -85f ! Sounds perfect for a XIce Xi4.


Would this compound still last 40k like the xi3?
Posted By: Snagglefoot

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/23/19 02:10 AM

Has anyone tried the new Blizzak LT ?
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/23/19 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by SubLGT
Hey Michelin, wake up hornets

Will you ever come out with a successor to the "aged" Xi3?

You have this "advanced rubber compound" in your new studded tire that has a glass transition temperature of -85f ! Sounds perfect for a XIce Xi4.


Question is whether they need to?
Xi3 has full winter compound unlike Blizzak and proved to be better rounded tire. I think WS90 is an attempt to bite into market of Xi3.
I had DM-V2 on X5 which is same generation as WS80, and than Xi2, and although Xi2 is generation older than DM-V2, it proved better than DM-V2, especially in ice, dry and wet. Longevity is actually not comparable.
I am afraid that Bridgestone is hardening tread block for longevity while still keeping dual compound. That harder tread, what effect will it have in ice and snow?
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/23/19 11:25 AM


OK< it does not look like DM-V2, I thought by looking at it on that car it did.
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/23/19 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by SubLGT
Hey Michelin, wake up hornets

Will you ever come out with a successor to the "aged" Xi3?

You have this "advanced rubber compound" in your new studded tire that has a glass transition temperature of -85f ! Sounds perfect for a XIce Xi4.


Question is whether they need to?....


The Xi3 is lagging behind its competitors in ice traction and slush planing resistance, at the very least. In the 2015 "NAF Test" (performed at the professional tire testing facility Test World in Finland) the Xi3 ranked in 2nd place overall. Fast forward to 2018, and it ranked only 7th place overall.

The 2018 NAF summary comments from NAF for the Xi3 (translated from Norwegian by Google):

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Very poor results on snow and ice.

Especially the side grip is poor, it steers inexperienced and is understaffed.

The impression changes sharply on asphalt, and especially in the wet, where the tire - both objectively and subjectively - is second best.

Quiet and stable under these conditions.


Here are the 2018 NAF comments about the WS80:

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Best result of everyone in the important moment braking on dry asphalt.

Also very good driving feel on the dry road.

Among the better stud-free tires during braking on snow and ice. Quiet and stable behavior with predictable understeer.

Decent on noise.


Here are the 2018 NAF comments about the Nokian R3

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Close behind the very best on snow and ice. Stable and good steering feeling.

Among the best in wet conditions, but below average for the studless on dry surfaces.

The driving feeling is safe and predictable regardless of the surface.

Pleasant low noise level.


https://www.naf.no/forbrukertester/dekktester/vinterdekktest-2018/

http://www.testworld.fi
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/24/19 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by SubLGT
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by SubLGT
Hey Michelin, wake up hornets

Will you ever come out with a successor to the "aged" Xi3?

You have this "advanced rubber compound" in your new studded tire that has a glass transition temperature of -85f ! Sounds perfect for a XIce Xi4.


Question is whether they need to?....


The Xi3 is lagging behind its competitors in ice traction and slush planing resistance, at the very least. In the 2015 "NAF Test" (performed at the professional tire testing facility Test World in Finland) the Xi3 ranked in 2nd place overall. Fast forward to 2018, and it ranked only 7th place overall.

The 2018 NAF summary comments from NAF for the Xi3 (translated from Norwegian by Google):

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Very poor results on snow and ice.

Especially the side grip is poor, it steers inexperienced and is understaffed.

The impression changes sharply on asphalt, and especially in the wet, where the tire - both objectively and subjectively - is second best.

Quiet and stable under these conditions.


Here are the 2018 NAF comments about the WS80:

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Best result of everyone in the important moment braking on dry asphalt.

Also very good driving feel on the dry road.

Among the better stud-free tires during braking on snow and ice. Quiet and stable behavior with predictable understeer.

Decent on noise.


Here are the 2018 NAF comments about the Nokian R3

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Close behind the very best on snow and ice. Stable and good steering feeling.

Among the best in wet conditions, but below average for the studless on dry surfaces.

The driving feeling is safe and predictable regardless of the surface.

Pleasant low noise level.


https://www.naf.no/forbrukertester/dekktester/vinterdekktest-2018/

http://www.testworld.fi

Sure, but I am talking from buyers perspective. Also, I know Michelin will have very similar performance next winter, not so sure about Nokian based on these R2's I have.
Slushing is an issue for Xi3, due to packed design. But we are talking here about lower 48 states. How much time one spends constantly driving on snow, ice and in slush? That is the issue, the compromise between dry, wet roads that drivers drive on most of the time, and occasional snow storms. Even I who spends a lot of time on the slopes, like good balanced tire that has good behavior in all conditions. I went yesterday over Loveland Pass at 11,500ft during snow storm with my Xi2 on Toyota and cannot say they are any less confident in it than R2, WS70, LM60, DM-V2 I used over that same pass on different vehicles.
What is clear is that wearing of Xi2 (which I was very skeptical about as Overkill knows) is not noticeable after some 5000 miles this winter and that they behave like good A/S tire in dry and wet, which cannot be said for R2, and something that WS70 and DM-V2 struggled with.
In the end, WS90 is introduced even per Bridgestone testimony to increase life, but question is whether there will be drop in performance.
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/26/19 06:40 PM

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a26038430/bridgestone-blizzak-ws90-tire-drive/

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Both on its own and against the Michelin X-Ice Xi3 and Continental WinterContact SI, both of which outscored the WS80 in our last winter-tire test, the WS90 proved to be a serious snowshoe. All of the tires on our drive were fitted to similar front-wheel-drive Toyota Camry sedans. Through a handful of choreographed exercises, the new WS90 backed up Bridgestone's claim of superior ice grip, both in acceleration and braking, by besting the Michelin over a zero-to-10-mph-to-zero sprint on an inactive ice-skating rink. And on the groomed-snow tracks of Bridgestone's Winter Driving School—now in its 35th year in Steamboat Springs—the latest Blizzak exhibited a reassuringly strong turn-in bite into corners on packed snow, as well as a confidence-inspiring level of stability and feedback as we gently drifted around the school's higher-speed handling course.

Unusually poor weather conditions limited our track time and prevented us from experiencing the new tire on the street, but the WS90 showed none of the sudden-breakaway behavior at the limit that we've noted of its WS80 predecessor—which still remains an excellent winter-weather ally. Bridgestone's directional WS90 is a fitting evolution, and we're anxious to expose it to a more thorough barrage of real-world conditions on at least one of our long-term vehicles next winter.
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/26/19 11:15 PM

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but the WS90 showed none of the sudden-breakaway behavior at the limit that we've noted of its WS80 predecessor

This is main reason for such quick update to WS80. WS90 will still lack longevity of Xi3, but this was seriously apparent on my DM-V2 which is same generation as WS80. Also, in talk to my skier friends that use(d) WS80, they were seriously disappointed with them compared to previous generation of WS models.
Posted By: Traction

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/26/19 11:31 PM

I think blizzak's have given up a lot of awesome winter traction with every generation since I had 3 different sets of WS15's going back to 1996. They keep gravitating towards an
all-season tire trying to keep everyone happy when it's not snowing.
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/26/19 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Traction
I think blizzak's have given up a lot of awesome winter traction with every generation since I had 3 different sets of WS15's going back to 1996. They keep gravitating towards an
all-season tire trying to keep everyone happy when it's not snowing.

Making tire that is really good in snow is easy. Making tire that has great snow/ice performance, and still decent wet and dry performance is hard.
It does not snow every day, and tires with extreme snow performance can be equally dangerous on wet/dry.
Posted By: BrewCityR

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 01/27/19 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Traction
I think blizzak's have given up a lot of awesome winter traction with every generation since I had 3 different sets of WS15's going back to 1996. They keep gravitating towards an
all-season tire trying to keep everyone happy when it's not snowing.


I agree... I remember when I had WS50s on my 1998 FWD CR-V... it really felt secure in bad winter situations.
Posted By: Rand

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 02/04/19 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by edyvw

Question is whether they need to?
Xi3 has full winter compound unlike Blizzak and proved to be better rounded tire. I think WS90 is an attempt to bite into market of Xi3.
I had DM-V2 on X5 which is same generation as WS80, and than Xi2, and although Xi2 is generation older than DM-V2, it proved better than DM-V2, especially in ice, dry and wet. Longevity is actually not comparable.
I am afraid that Bridgestone is hardening tread block for longevity while still keeping dual compound. That harder tread, what effect will it have in ice and snow?


First off blizzak has regular winter compound under the multicell compound.. Not sure I understand what you meant?
What exactly is full winter compound.
Also Xi3 and latitude xi2 are same time frame both newer than regular xi2.

Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 02/04/19 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by edyvw

Question is whether they need to?
Xi3 has full winter compound unlike Blizzak and proved to be better rounded tire. I think WS90 is an attempt to bite into market of Xi3.
I had DM-V2 on X5 which is same generation as WS80, and than Xi2, and although Xi2 is generation older than DM-V2, it proved better than DM-V2, especially in ice, dry and wet. Longevity is actually not comparable.
I am afraid that Bridgestone is hardening tread block for longevity while still keeping dual compound. That harder tread, what effect will it have in ice and snow?


First off blizzak has regular winter compound under the multicell compound.. Not sure I understand what you meant?
What exactly is full winter compound.
Also Xi3 and latitude xi2 are same time frame both newer than regular xi2.


Blizzak's except some LM series turn into all season compound at 6/32. I worn down my DM-V2 to 6/32 and they were useless in snow and ice after that. LM60 I had had full winter compound (were wearing out like crazy) and Blizzaks like LM32, 001 same thing.
Posted By: UG_Passat

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 02/04/19 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by edyvw

Question is whether they need to?
Xi3 has full winter compound unlike Blizzak and proved to be better rounded tire. I think WS90 is an attempt to bite into market of Xi3.
I had DM-V2 on X5 which is same generation as WS80, and than Xi2, and although Xi2 is generation older than DM-V2, it proved better than DM-V2, especially in ice, dry and wet. Longevity is actually not comparable.
I am afraid that Bridgestone is hardening tread block for longevity while still keeping dual compound. That harder tread, what effect will it have in ice and snow?


First off blizzak has regular winter compound under the multicell compound.. Not sure I understand what you meant?
What exactly is full winter compound.
Also Xi3 and latitude xi2 are same time frame both newer than regular xi2.




Blizzak's except some LM series turn into all season compound at 6/32. I worn down my DM-V2 to 6/32 and they were useless in snow and ice after that. LM60 I had had full winter compound (were wearing out like crazy) and Blizzaks like LM32, 001 same thing.


The early Blizzaks had a all-season compound winter under their Multicell compound. Starting with the WS-60, that all-season compound got replaced by a winter compound.
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 02/04/19 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by UG_Passat
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by edyvw

Question is whether they need to?
Xi3 has full winter compound unlike Blizzak and proved to be better rounded tire. I think WS90 is an attempt to bite into market of Xi3.
I had DM-V2 on X5 which is same generation as WS80, and than Xi2, and although Xi2 is generation older than DM-V2, it proved better than DM-V2, especially in ice, dry and wet. Longevity is actually not comparable.
I am afraid that Bridgestone is hardening tread block for longevity while still keeping dual compound. That harder tread, what effect will it have in ice and snow?


First off blizzak has regular winter compound under the multicell compound.. Not sure I understand what you meant?
What exactly is full winter compound.
Also Xi3 and latitude xi2 are same time frame both newer than regular xi2.




Blizzak's except some LM series turn into all season compound at 6/32. I worn down my DM-V2 to 6/32 and they were useless in snow and ice after that. LM60 I had had full winter compound (were wearing out like crazy) and Blizzaks like LM32, 001 same thing.


The early Blizzaks had a all-season compound winter under their Multicell compound. Starting with the WS-60, that all-season compound got replaced by a winter compound.

Too bad I did not take a picture of DM-V2 after 25k. Not only that multicell siping crap is gone, but it is clearly different compound. Those tires at 6/32 would slide at sight of clouds, not actual snow.
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 02/12/19 04:34 PM

Today Bridgestone has released a second new Blizzak tire, the LM005 performance winter.

https://www.tyrepress.com/2019/02/b...lm005-winter-tyre-with-a-grade-wet-grip/

2 photos here:

https://shina.guide/press/18016/#more-18016

Translated from article at shinaguide:

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...To achieve the “outstanding performance” of the Blizzak LM005 on wet roads, snow and ice, the Bridgestone developers used innovative technologies for tire construction, and they initially focused on the expectations and needs of drivers who were interviewed throughout Europe. The study involved 20,000 people...

...We emphasize that the tires Bridgestone Blizzak LM-005 in the fall of 2018 were tested by an expert group TÜV SÜD.......the friction winter Bridgestone was also noted for the best in its class performance traction and braking on wet surfaces, making the Blizzak LM005 the first winter model that received a European class A label in wet traction...
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 02/12/19 11:18 PM

The look similar to Michelin latitude Alpin LA2, except that centerline ridge.
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/05/19 11:40 PM

I have yet to see any objective testing of the WS90 from the usual Scandinavian and Russian online sources. Sometimes they are provided with pre-production samples for testing, but perhaps Bridgestone did not do so earlier this year. Interestingly, the Michelin Xi3 was not included in most of these overseas tests this year, presumably because its replacement (Xi3+ ? Xi4 ?) is arriving in 2020.

I don't know if Consumer Reports is still doing annual testing of winter tires. TireRack does not have any test data or video yet.
Posted By: Rand

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/06/19 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by edyvw

Too bad I did not take a picture of DM-V2 after 25k. Not only that multicell siping crap is gone, but it is clearly different compound. Those tires at 6/32 would slide at sight of clouds, not actual snow.



Multicell is the top compound not the siping, but it has siping? yes the bottom 45% of the tread is a different compound, a winter compound, but it doesnt have the siping of the top.

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NOTE: The first 55% of the Blizzak DM-V2's tread depth features the NanoPro Tech Multicell Compound while the remaining 45% features a standard winter tire compound. When the Blizzak DM-V2 is approximately 50 percent worn, a depth indicator molded into the tread design lets the driver know that the remaining tread is reaching the end of its ability to provide beneficial snow traction.


I have run ws-50, ws-60, ws-70, ws-80, dm-v2, xice xi2, continential ewc, cooper wintermaster+,dunlop m3, nokian wr-g2 suv, wr-g3 etc.
The worst after bring half worn were the dunlops.(which werent dual compound) at half worn they were sliding all over.

Any winter tire below 5/32 should be retired.

The ws-90 has the "next generation" multicell compound as well as full tread depth "features"-- I read that siping

I might end up with the ws-90 if we trade in the 2010 accent next week. I do agree 100% that both the dm-v2 and ws-80 had sudden breakaway issues vs previous models.
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/06/19 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by SubLGT
I have yet to see any objective testing of the WS90 from the usual Scandinavian and Russian online sources. Sometimes they are provided with pre-production samples for testing, but perhaps Bridgestone did not do so earlier this year. Interestingly, the Michelin Xi3 was not included in most of these overseas tests this year, presumably because its replacement (Xi3+ ? Xi4 ?) is arriving in 2020.

I don't know if Consumer Reports is still doing annual testing of winter tires. TireRack does not have any test data or video yet.

WHo knows what they doing. Remember Michelin said they will offer North American winter tire? I am genuinely scared about that, as North American usually means cheaper and less capable.
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/06/19 05:01 PM

I am guessing the new Michelin North American winter tire, to be manufactured in Nova Scotia, will be the Latitude Xi3 in sizes to fit CUVs, SUVs, and pickups.

https://www.rubbernews.com/article/...scotia-plant-ahead-of-winter-tire-launch

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...Michelin North America (Canada) Inc. is budgeting $16 million in investments at its Granton plant to support the 2020 launch of a winter tire designed specifically for the North American market....The launch of the new, as-yet unnamed winter tire line will create 150 jobs at the Granton plant.....

...The new tire will build on the success of the Latitude X-Ice XI2 winter tires built at the Granton plant for Canadian and U.S. markets....
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/07/19 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by SubLGT
I am guessing the new Michelin North American winter tire, to be manufactured in Nova Scotia, will be the Latitude Xi3 in sizes to fit CUVs, SUVs, and pickups.

https://www.rubbernews.com/article/...scotia-plant-ahead-of-winter-tire-launch

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...Michelin North America (Canada) Inc. is budgeting $16 million in investments at its Granton plant to support the 2020 launch of a winter tire designed specifically for the North American market....The launch of the new, as-yet unnamed winter tire line will create 150 jobs at the Granton plant.....

...The new tire will build on the success of the Latitude X-Ice XI2 winter tires built at the Granton plant for Canadian and U.S. markets....

My Xi2 Latitude on BMW were Made in Spain and these on Toyota are Made in USA. Who knows what Michelin will deliver in the end.
Posted By: hp9000

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/10/19 07:03 PM

Can anybody please help me choose between the Blizzak DM-V2 and the new WS90? Two people at the same Costco store recommended opposite things, one said DM-V2, the other said WS90. Yesterday, I called at least 5 different tire shops, I got 5 different answers. I even called Bridgestone and asked to speak with a technician, the person said DM-V2 but some people use WS90 because they are the same size. I have no idea, I'm more confused as days go by. It's like nobody has any idea what they're selling. I'd like to hear from somebody who has actually *used* either tire or even the WS80. I know that there will be different opinions, probably as many as road conditions, but my impression after talking to tire shop "technicians" or sales people is that they don't know much more than I do, and even less because perhaps they have to push a certain brand in case they get money back from the manufacturer. This morning alone, I talked to another tire shop and the guy said the Bridgestone were junk and that I would be better off with the BFGoodrich KSI (for which there are almost no reviews) and that he's been installing those for 5 years (very strange, since the tire has been out only for 2 years). At yet another shop, the guy said that the DM-V2 are a lower speed rating and my odometer would be messed up (though I'm not changing tire sizes!!!).

The tires are for a 2016 Nissan Rogue SV AWD (225/65/17). I don't know if that's considered a "heavy" SUV and would be better fitted with the DM-V2, or if the newer WS90 are the way to go. I live in Ottawa, Canada, if that makes any difference.

Thanks!
Posted By: JC1

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/10/19 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by hp9000
Can anybody please help me choose between the Blizzak DM-V2 and the new WS90? Two people at the same Costco store recommended opposite things, one said DM-V2, the other said WS90. Yesterday, I called at least 5 different tire shops, I got 5 different answers. I even called Bridgestone and asked to speak with a technician, the person said DM-V2 but some people use WS90 because they are the same size. I have no idea, I'm more confused as days go by. It's like nobody has any idea what they're selling. I'd like to hear from somebody who has actually *used* either tire or even the WS80. I know that there will be different opinions, probably as many as road conditions, but my impression after talking to tire shop "technicians" or sales people is that they don't know much more than I do, and even less because perhaps they have to push a certain brand in case they get money back from the manufacturer. This morning alone, I talked to another tire shop and the guy said the Bridgestone were junk and that I would be better off with the BFGoodrich KSI (for which there are almost no reviews) and that he's been installing those for 5 years (very strange, since the tire has been out only for 2 years). At yet another shop, the guy said that the DM-V2 are a lower speed rating and my odometer would be messed up (though I'm not changing tire sizes!!!).

The tires are for a 2016 Nissan Rogue SV AWD (225/65/17). I don't know if that's considered a "heavy" SUV and would be better fitted with the DM-V2, or if the newer WS90 are the way to go. I live in Ottawa, Canada, if that makes any difference.

Thanks!



I have the DM-V2 on my caravan. It's a heavier vehicle, so the DM-V2 has a stron. Do you know the weight of your rogue? You may get more flex on the sidewalls wi
Posted By: hp9000

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 10/11/19 12:48 AM

Wikipedia says that the weight is 3,529 lb (1,601 kg).
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/14/19 11:40 PM

Tire Rack has done some limited winter testing of the WS90: acceleration and braking on ice (in an ice rink presumably)

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=250

Braking distances on ice, from 12mph:

Blizzak WS90: 30.4ft
Michelin Xi3: 32.2ft
VikingContact7: 28.7ft
IceGuard iG53: 30.4ft


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As expected, all four tires in the group were strong performers on the ice, far and away better than any all-season tire. The Blizzak WS90 provided the fastest 60' acceleration time, and it seemed to work best with the vehicle's traction control system. The VikingContact 7 was less than a tenth behind, also feeling nicely synced with the vehicle's electronics. The iceGUARD iG53 essentially tied the Continental, though it felt like it slipped a bit more, primarily from a dead stop. As evidenced by its excellent elapsed time, once it hooked up, it made confident forward progress. There's no getting around it, the X-ice Xi3 is an older design, and the competition has passed it by in ice traction.
While it would make sense to think acceleration and braking traction are determined by the same characteristics in a tire, we find time and again that isn't always the case. Along those lines, there was a switch in the order for 12-0mph braking. Here, the Continental led the way by a narrow margin, followed by a tie between the Bridgestone and the Yokohama, with the Michelin just a couple feet back.
Posted By: Traction

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/14/19 11:50 PM

I've been a long time Blizzak fanatic since 1996, and I just put new WS-90's on my wife's Camry, in the narrower recommended size. Not much winter to try them out yet, but they have been on/off the car twice now waiting for the s to hit the fan. I have tried Michelin, and Nokian studded tires the past 2 winters on my Tahoe, and other Camry, and was not impressed at all.
Posted By: krzyss

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 03:57 AM

Funny that you write this as it took Bridgestone 2 or 3 attempts to beat Michelin X Ice Xi3.
It looks like do not buy Xi3 this year as there are better, newer choices available.

Krzyś
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by krzyss
Funny that you write this as it took Bridgestone 2 or 3 attempts to beat Michelin X Ice Xi3.
It looks like do not buy Xi3 this year as there are better, newer choices available.

Krzyś

WS80/DM-V2 had serious issues when it comes to lateral handling in ice. WS90 seems promising. Will see next year. Since I returned to Costco for tires, it will be next winter Xi3 or WS90 for wife's car, unless Michelin introduces new tire.
Posted By: krzyss

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 02:12 PM

This winter it seems to be Viking Contact 7 or WS90.
For studless tires.

Krzyś
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by krzyss
This winter it seems to be Viking Contact 7 or WS90.
For studless tires.

Krzyś

I know, but I just refuse to go to DIscount Tire anymore. Went there month ago to get nail out of Nokian's and I tell them to balance tires as it was shaking just a bit. What they did is absolute horror. Driving above 60mph was like being on those massaging chairs. Took car to Costco, paid them to balance tires and all is good (though they had to use so much weight that I think all $22 went to cover just that).
So, Costco, and with that WS90 or Xi3.
Posted By: krzyss

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 06:04 PM

Sometimes local dealer ruins experience of very good product.
Oh well.
Maybe Michelin releases killer Xi4 next year ;-)

Krzyś
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by krzyss
Sometimes local dealer ruins experience of very good product.
Oh well.
Maybe Michelin releases killer Xi4 next year ;-)

Krzyś

Maybe LOL.
I went to DT just bcs. I got Nokian's there so it was free. Just got reminded why not to come back. They are overworked, guy who I knew, was running that store and got me some good deals quit last spring. So no incentive to go back at all.
Posted By: edyvw

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by krzyss
Sometimes local dealer ruins experience of very good product.
Oh well.
Maybe Michelin releases killer Xi4 next year ;-)

Krzyś

One thing about winter tires in Colorado is that CO weather is really hard on them. We do not have New England or Midwest winters where depressing clouds roll in in November and they do not leave until April-May. Here today we will have snow, tomorrow will be 3 degrees, than sun will come out hard, melt snow, turn that into ice. In two days temperature will spike in 50-60's with a lot of sunshine and all shortcomings of winter tires are going to come out. It will be like that 5-6 days, then another storm will roll in, dump snow, than turn that into ice, than again 60's etc. In the spring, temperatures will go to 60's even 70's, but we might get huge storm, especially if we are in El Nino cycle. Then if you ski, you can drive from 60's to 0 degrees and full blown blizzard within 2hrs of drive, then you ski, drive back into 60's.
Bottom line, best is to have well rounded tire that does everything good. That is why I prefer Xi2 on my Sienna compared to Nokian's R2.
Posted By: krzyss

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 07:51 PM

New England is sometimes "blessed" with spring in January. Just to have winter return in February and March.
Tires need to be well rounded here too.

Krzyś
Posted By: SubLGT

Re: New Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 - 12/15/19 07:59 PM

More comments from Tire Rack:

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Bridgestone Blizzak WS90 (Studless Ice & Snow, 225/50R17 94H)
What We Liked: Test-leading wet traction and acceleration traction on the ice.
What We'd Improve: It's not as refined on the road as some of the competitors.
Conclusion: A worthy successor to the Blizzak name.

Continental VikingContact 7 (Studless Ice & Snow, 225/50R17 98T)
What We Liked: Very strong ice traction and objective wet performance.
What We'd Improve: The on-road handling was polarizing, feels a little unsettled in the wet.
Conclusion: It's competitive with the best on the market.

Michelin X-ice Xi3 (Studless Ice & Snow, 225/50R17 98H)
What We Liked: It feels great on the road and in the wet.
What We'd Improve: The competition has passed it by on the ice.
Conclusion: Still a great tire.
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