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2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi

Posted By: The Critic

2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 02:52 PM



Background info and general thoughts:

- This oil fill was installed at the vehicleís first oil change, which took place at 9,382 miles.
- At the time of oil sampling, the vehicle had been driven for more than 30 minutes at highway speeds. OLM was at 5% remaining. A Genuine Honda Oil Filter (A02) was used for the duration of this oil fill.
- At the time of oil sampling, the oil level was not abnormally high.
- Driving style consists of many short 5-10 mile trips in-town, however, the vehicle sees several 150 mi highway trips each month.
- I confirmed using the Honda J2534 rewrite tool that the vehicle has the latest engine calibration installed.
- Bearing wear appears to be controlled and the oxidation/nitration numbers are quite favorable. Despite the high fuel dilution, the oil appears to be doing its job very well.
Posted By: Danh

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 03:11 PM

Realize this engine is still fairly new, but isnít 3.7ppm iron/1,000 miles still pretty high? Maybe fuel dilution isnít quite so harmless.

This engine does seem more prone to fuel dilution than most. There was an extended sales stop in China for this reason; still waiting to see if American Honda incorporates any of the changes made for the Chinese market n
Posted By: dave1251

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 03:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Danh
Realize this engine is still fairly new, but isnít 3.7ppm iron/1,000 miles still pretty high? Maybe fuel dilution isnít quite so harmless.

This engine does seem more prone to fuel dilution than most. There was an extended sales stop in China for this reason; still waiting to see if American Honda incorporates any of the changes made for the Chinese market n


No. 3.7 parts per million of iron per 1,000 miles is not high.
Posted By: deven

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 03:29 PM

Does Mobil 1 EP 0w20 really only has 944ppm's of Calcium?
Posted By: PimTac

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: deven
Does Mobil 1 EP 0w20 really only has 944ppm's of Calcium?




All the new formulations for the most part have lowered calcium. Itís not a issue.
Posted By: 1JZ_E46

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 04:11 PM

Yikes. Oil was water thin when changed.
Posted By: John_Dude

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 05:27 PM

Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Yikes. Oil was water thin when changed.


water has a viscosity of 0.294 CST @ 100c

soooo... not quite.
Posted By: 1JZ_E46

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: John_Dude
Originally Posted By: 1JZ_E46
Yikes. Oil was water thin when changed.


water has a viscosity of 0.294 CST @ 100c

soooo... not quite.


It's called a figure of speech.
Posted By: webfors

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 06:28 PM

These new Honda engines do not perform the same as the old Honda engines with respect to UOAs. I used to gush over the boring Honda UOAs. These are not boring.

I personally would not run a 20 weight in an engine that is known to reduce the viscosity of oil by 25-30%.
Posted By: JAG

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 06:55 PM

Mouse milk. laugh Is the factory fill a 5W-16 or 0W-16? What viscosity grade is recommended?
Posted By: HemiHawk

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 06:59 PM

Would it be wise to cut the interval back to 5k miles and see what that does for the fuel dilution? Its interesting that Honda's recall on some of those 1.5T motors states the the fuel issues had to do with cold climates... but this 1.5T is operated in CA.
Posted By: JAG

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 07:12 PM

In my opinion, the fuel content will reach steady state amount too quickly (maybe within 1k to 2k miles), so changing the oil at 5k miles isnít going to get the oil changed before it builds up more fuel in it. If one wanted to counteract the effect on viscosity, one could initially add less than the full amount and then starting around 1k miles gradually add oil one or two viscosity grades higher until the oil level is full.
Posted By: LotI

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 09:00 PM

I would run a 30 grade to 15% on the MM. is the sump really 4qts?...maybe change it at 5k/50%.

Honda has a recall in China for fuel dilution...in China
Posted By: Danh

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 09:11 PM

0w-20 is specíd. Sump + filter = 3.7 quarts.

And I still think 3.7 ppm of iron/1,000 Miles is a lot for a 1.5 liter engine.
Posted By: parshisa

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/08/18 11:28 PM

Twice as much of iron per 1k as i had on my second drain. I doesnít look like stratching OCI that far is a bright idea. Although Iím going 7.5K on my cutrent fill
Posted By: dblshock

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 12:02 AM

Honda sold me a 1.5T here in the cold..46N
Posted By: dblshock

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 12:06 AM

...take control of the situation with Edge 0/40 and a MityVac.
Posted By: zeng

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 12:30 AM

37 ppm Fe per 10k may appear relatively high, but I would attribute partly to break-in, short trips and winter season , hence it's not alarming.

Despite low KV100 and fuel dilution, TBN oxidation and nitration numbers suggest this EP 0W20 is doing its job well and is still serviceable.
Posted By: buster

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: zeng
37 ppm Fe per 10k may appear relatively high, but I would attribute partly to break-in, short trips and winter season , hence it's not alarming.

Despite low KV100 and fuel dilution, TBN oxidation and nitration numbers suggest this EP 0W20 is doing its job well and is still serviceable.


Agree. You don't want oxidation, which is what you find with less capable oils. This is also the second fill of oil this car ever had. With short trips, some through winter, this oil did it's job well IMO. I ALSO think any top tier 0w20 from PZ/Ams/Castrol would perform well.


Posted By: dblshock

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 01:51 AM

O/A doesn't ship to PO boxes.. if I can find a way around that I have a 9,700 mi. sample of 0/40 that went through winter here on the shelf.
Posted By: irv

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 02:15 AM

Whenever we are talking about high or higher than average wear metals, why is it always Mobil-1 oils? shrug

Have a look around and you'll see it's rare, imo, that you'll see average or below average wear metal readings using Mobil-1 oils.

Many non Mobil UOAs exist on this forum and the majority are never has high as Mobil's. Anyone else find that odd? I know I do. coffee
Posted By: dishdude

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 04:39 AM

That UOA is ugly, it'll be interesting to see how these engines hold up with 100k on them. I'm thinking the rings will be shot turning them into oil burners that will be toast by owners that never check the oil.
Posted By: dblshock

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/09/18 02:16 PM

Like my Civic, nice pkg. for the money...use some common sense lubricating it. At 32k I see no evidence of oil burn and it's probably running better than ever as illustrated by fuel efficiency.
Posted By: ARB1977

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/10/18 01:47 AM

Itíll be interesting. Drove about 700 miles round trip and the computer showed 37 mpg. Power was awesome. Also drove with the Econ turned off. My first fill will be with Amsoil 0W20. Time will tell I guess. 100K warranty if something happens.
Posted By: Balrog006

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/10/18 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Itíll be interesting. Drove about 700 miles round trip and the computer showed 37 mpg. Power was awesome. Also drove with the Econ turned off. My first fill will be with Amsoil 0W20. Time will tell I guess. 100K warranty if something happens.


100K engine warranty? Standard or purchased extra?
Posted By: CT8

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/11/18 02:58 AM

How many oil changes? Just 2 ?
Posted By: buster

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/11/18 11:41 AM

Originally Posted By: CT8
How many oil changes? Just 2 ?


Yes. This was the second.
Posted By: ARB1977

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/11/18 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Balrog006
Originally Posted By: ARB1977
Itíll be interesting. Drove about 700 miles round trip and the computer showed 37 mpg. Power was awesome. Also drove with the Econ turned off. My first fill will be with Amsoil 0W20. Time will tell I guess. 100K warranty if something happens.


100K engine warranty? Standard or purchased extra?

Purchased
Posted By: Bjornviken

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/17/18 09:24 AM

Run 5w-30 and you have less problem
Posted By: addyguy

Re: 2017 Honda CR-V 1.5T, Mobil 1 EP 0W-20, 10,188 mi - 06/17/18 11:19 PM

Yes, I am just repeating myself, but it stands...

Much as I agree with sticking to what the manual says during warranty..etc...etc...I'd have a really hard time not moving up to a 30-weight on a vehicle like this where we KNOW FD thins the oil into the 10-weight range.

Yes, wear metals stay low, but who's to say down the road there won't be an epidemic of worn-out turbo Honda engines?

Remember, no-one expected problems with Hyundai's bread-and-butter 2.4 engine, but look whats happening - are turbo Honda engines next?
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