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Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle?

Posted By: Ed_Flecko

Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:01 PM

I'm in the process of buying a new GMC Canyon, with the 3.6 Liter V-6 LGZ Engine (https://bit.ly/2u4UXUz). Just like everyone, I'm sure, I want to break-in the motor the most efficiently as possible.

While I don't think it's necessary to dump brand new oil, I am very tempted to immediately change oil filters from the factory ACDelco Professional PF2257G ("Equipped with 98% multi-pass filtering efficiency at 25-30 microns for excellent filtering capabilities" - https://bit.ly/2UB1WQP) to either a Fram Tough Guard ("Stronger, more durable media provides an outstanding 99% dirt-trapping efficiency - FRAM Group testing of average filter efficiency of PH8A, 3387A and 4967 or equivalent FRAM TG or XG models under ISO 4548-12 for particles greater than 20 microns.") or Fram Ultra.

Since a brand new motor is most likely to have tiny metal shaving or other unwanted stuff floating in the oil, I personally think this might be a smart thing to do. However, do YOU think immediately changing oil filters is a...

  • Good idea
  • Bad idea
  • Meh...why bother. Change the filter at the first oil change

Thank you,
Ed
Posted By: Bottom_Feeder

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:03 PM

Anything floating around in a new engine is going to be large enough to be caught by even a mediocre oil filter, in my opinion.
Posted By: Yah-Tah-Hey

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:12 PM

Drive it.
Posted By: BMWTurboDzl

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:22 PM

popcorn
Posted By: Malo83

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:26 PM

I always dump the factory fill between 500/1K miles, don't want a bunch of grit floating around my new engine. cheers
Posted By: Loi

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:28 PM

Best way to break in an engine to ensure piston rings seat is to drive it with varying RPM. Avoid highway cruising as much as possible. You can change the oil at 1000mi if that makes you feel more comfortable or follow the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval.
Posted By: anndel

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:32 PM

I all of our and customer's vehicles, I change the factory filled oil and filter at about 1,000 miles and consider that break-in. I replace with any of the fine synthetic oils - Mobil 1, Pennzoil, Valvoline, Castrol plus either Fram Ultra or OEM filter unless the customer requests Amsoil.

Any yes, in several occasions I've cut open the filter and found metal bits caught in the filter element.
Posted By: StevieC

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:40 PM

I've always changed out early and multiple times in the first 5,000. Oil is cheap, engines aren't and there is a lot of swarf floating around the engine when it's new before it settles down with regular oil changes.
Anything you do will help it along won't hurt and could be beneficial, but the OE will tell you it's not necessary.

I would also add that given the GM timing chain issues, if it were mine I would be changing it out at least within the first 600 miles and then keep a short OCI thereafter for the first bit until I felt like everything that could be flushed out has been. I'd also use the spec'ed oil and weight but would make sure it had moly in its additive package. (Preference)

Some might say it's a waste of oil but how much cheaper is the oil than changing out the chain and the headache of having to go through it. wink

Posted By: Ed_Flecko

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by StevieC
I've always changed out early and multiple times in the first 5,000. Oil is cheap, engines aren't and there is a lot of swarf floating around the engine when it's new before it settles down with regular oil changes.
Anything you do will help it along won't hurt and could be beneficial, but the OE will tell you it's not necessary.

I would also add that given the GM timing chain issues, if it were mine I would be changing it out at least within the first 600 miles and then keep a short OCI thereafter for the first bit until I felt like everything that could be flushed out has been. I'd also use the spec'ed oil and weight but would make sure it had moly in its additive package. (Preference)

Some might say it's a waste of oil but how much cheaper is the oil than changing out the chain and the headache of having to go through it. wink



I agree!

Currently, I use Castrol EDGE in both of our cars (5W-30) and truck (0W-40). I don't know if it has any "moly" but I've heard it does have a good additive package.

Ed
Posted By: newtoncd8

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 06:15 PM

I understand you are talking about only changing the filter and not the oil. Meh, why bother.
Posted By: StevieC

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Ed_Flecko
I agree!

Currently, I use Castrol EDGE in both of our cars (5W-30) and truck (0W-40). I don't know if it has any "moly" but I've heard it does have a good additive package.

Ed


Ed, I'm not sure and it depends on the which Edge you are using... There is a couple of them.
Posted By: Ed_Flecko

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by Ed_Flecko
I agree!

Currently, I use Castrol EDGE in both of our cars (5W-30) and truck (0W-40). I don't know if it has any "moly" but I've heard it does have a good additive package.

Ed


Ed, I'm not sure and it depends on the which Edge you are using... There is a couple of them.


I use "Castrol EDGE with Fluid TITANIUM Technology" - https://bit.ly/2W1Uajc

smile

Ed
Posted By: StevieC

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 06:47 PM

Yes it has Moly in it and it looks like it might be the better type Tri-Nuclear because of the ppm is lists: http://www.pqiadata.org/CastrolEdge5W20dexos1.html

(Could only find the 5w20 but it's usually the same across the weights when it's the same product)
Posted By: Ed_Flecko

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by StevieC
Yes it has Moly in it and it looks like it might be the better type Tri-Nuclear because of the ppm is lists: http://www.pqiadata.org/CastrolEdge5W20dexos1.html

(Could only find the 5w20 but it's usually the same across the weights when it's the same product)


Thank you!...I appreciate the detailed explanation!

smile

Ed
Posted By: StevieC

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 06:59 PM

Happy motoring and good luck with your new ride. thumbsup
Posted By: PPWarrior

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 07:00 PM

Save your money, but a Tacoma
Posted By: Ed_Flecko

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by PPWarrior
Save your money, but a Tacoma


I thought about it, however they're overpriced, the V6 only puts out 278 hp, and I think they're butt ugly.

Oh, did I mention, I'm dumping my 2004 Tacoma?

smile

Ed
Posted By: Danno

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 07:38 PM

I put 400 3.0L diesel Sprinters into service and they all went 12,000 to 15,000 miles before their first oil change.

Did not lose any engines to oil failure up to 200,000 miles. Which is the last data point I have.

Lost 2 engines to hydro-locking when the trucks rolled in high winds.

and,FWIW
Posted By: dave1251

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 07:50 PM

I do not change the oil early anymore on my new vehicles. I might change it a couple hundred miles early but IMO its nothing to worry about with modern machining and manufacturing.
Posted By: Mr Nice

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 07:51 PM

3-4K miles for my new cars.
Posted By: 46Harry

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 09:58 PM

I always change the oil and filter on a new or rebuilt engine around 1000 miles. It may not be necessary, but I've seen the trash in oil from from enough fresh engines that leads me to believe that it is a good idea.
Posted By: oil_film_movies

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 10:01 PM

Get a magnetic drain plug. GoldPlug.com or drainplugmagnets.com are strong magnets. Others are often too weak.
Then see how much iron fuzz they capture.
I wouldn't touch the oil filter, but change the oil (leave filter on) at 1,000 miles to get the initial machining asperities cleaned out.
Posted By: Triple_Se7en

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Nice
3-4K miles for my new cars.


Me too! .... even with my new Santa Fe 2.4 GDI.
I've purchased a dozen new vehicles since 1970 and never had any kind of engine oil problem. The last eight new vehicles - we were first and last owner of them.
Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 10:29 PM

Ed - that's a base down canister. I would run maybe 7-10 hours then change the filter. Then change the oil and filter again at around 2K.

I don't know if you ll be able to see or get to junk/chips/flash accumulated down in the base.

Have you changed filters this decade on a canister system on any car/truck?
Posted By: 4WD

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 10:30 PM

I do 1k to 2k … and then OLM after that while under warranty
Posted By: userfriendly

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 10:43 PM

You get 4 free oil changes in the first 2 years. You could do one now, and a couple in between the dealer ones.
I changed the oil and filter at 650 kms on my 2018 6.6L duramax. The dealer did the next one at 10,000. (6,200 miles).
Posted By: 147_Grain

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 10:59 PM

Change the oil and filter early.

Stick with the OEM oil filters for the first couple of years to avoid issues when the dealer changes your oil.
Posted By: oilpsi2high

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 11:36 PM

I'd change it early, but not before the break-in period.

I did my Cobalt SS after 2500 miles or so.
Posted By: oil_film_movies

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/14/19 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by userfriendly
You get 4 free oil changes in the first 2 years.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a26077592/gm-free-maintenance-reduced/
For 2019, I think this GMC only gets one free oil change, within 1 year of purchase.

Is it different in Canada?
My '18 Chevrolet in the U.S.A. (seems like Dinah Shore sang that.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhR8GZ_WWMM )
gets 2 free oil changes within 2 years.
Posted By: Bud

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 03/15/19 12:36 AM

Not necessary.
Posted By: rriddle3

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 06/10/19 09:03 PM

500-1,000 mile initial oil changes went away along with 3,000 mile routine oil changes and Fram oil filters.
Posted By: Malo83

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 06/11/19 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by rriddle3
500-1,000 mile initial oil changes went away along with 3,000 mile routine oil changes and Fram oil filters.

Really! LOL
Posted By: tiger862

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 06/11/19 05:26 AM

Bad idea. It is a waste of good oil. If I remember correctly GM recommends to follow OLM or 1 year. Never seen a new car break down from changing oil the first time according to the manual nor has anyone proved engines last longer by changing factory fill early.
Posted By: Panos

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 06/12/19 04:59 AM

How come my Ford called for first oil and filter change at 20.000kms and my two motorcycles at 1000kms?
The normal ocis are 20.000 and 12000kms respectively. Who is right and who is wrong and why?
Posted By: Eddie

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 06/12/19 11:42 AM

I change the oil/filter at ~ 1/2 the severe service recommendation. The second change will be at the interval at the interval I will use as my std. I prefer to not get into the paranoid mind-set that seems to prevail. Ed
Posted By: Patman

Re: Change oil and / or filter in brand new vehicle? - 06/12/19 04:25 PM

It might not be necessary, but at the same time it won't hurt and oil changes aren't all that expensive. You only have one shot to do an early oil change, so you might as well take it.
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