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Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF

Posted By: cleanoil332

Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 03:48 AM

I used to buy walmart SAE30 for my mowers but Walmart discontinued it some months ago, I read others mention this too.
When it's colder than 45F, I use 10w-30, but prefer straight SAE30 in Summer because it burns off less than 10W-30.
I use 5w-30 for winter snowblower of course.

Apparently no one sells large containers of SAE30 at auto stores, big box hardware stores etc which is baffling, I guess they assume 10w-30 is more versitle and less prone to improper use but like [censored]? They usually have just quarts of SAE30.
10w-30 large containers for Fall/Spring I buy from anywhere really.

I did some googling and decided yes it's pretty much safe to use cheap walmart etc oil so I stuck with their quarts and mini size SAE30 for years no problem. Great price and always a fresh unopened bottle on hand.

I change oil often in various machines and I don't really want recommendations for some special order more expensive oil but thanks anyway. I don't have a tractor supply etc either really in case they might have large containers SAE30, I just hope this HD walmart stuff is fine and I'll stick with that.

Basically I'm only using SAE30 for lawn equipment, from handheld 4 stroke Honda 25cc GX25 machines to 190cc vertical shaft briggs/honda mower engines, to a 350-750cc bigger mower.
Actually when I get a new truck soon I want to learn to change oil because I've had my drain plug cross threaded to [censored] so many times and not even sure which place did it first, plus I think some places probably leave quite bit of the old oil in there. SAE30 seems to make sense for a truck too but I'll figure all that out later when the times comes, because again, baffling why SAE30 isn't sold in stores as if it's not made for cars?

I know full synthetic is better and much less changing intervals but I'm not sure if I should switch to full Synthetic for mowers/truck.

Anyway, even if this stuff I pictured is good for a mower, is it better than the non-HD stuff walmart used to sell? Will this burn off more? Or burn more toxicly from having more additives? Or will it maybe actually burn cleaner than the discontinued non-HD SAE30? I don't have piston ring or smoke problems, but just saying.

Pictured are two different types. I would like to use both if possible but not a problem if one is suggested over the other.

Thank You

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Posted By: cleanoil332

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 03:57 AM

for reference,

a manual for a Husqvarna 4 stroke trimmer (uses a Honda GSX25 engine) says:
Quality class at least API SG. In general viscosity class SAE 10W-40 is recommended.



A snapper 21" with commercial 190cc briggs says : We recommend the use of Briggs & Stratton Warranty Certified
oils for best performance. Other high-quality detergent oils are
acceptable if classified for service SF, SG, SH, SJ or higher.
Do not use special additives.



a 344cc briggs 217807-0125-E1 says : "for service SF, SG, SH, SJ, or higher such as briggsstratton 30W. Do not use special additives."


I guess I can just google "understanding oil classes" or something like that and it seems probably these oils would be ok (but willing to search out cleaner-burning SAE 30 if possible, and also a but concerned about "Do not use Special Additives" maybe this "diesel or gasoline" 2 gallon one classifies as special additives to make it workable for Diesel.


Strange why Walmart would discontinue their SAE30 mower oil.
Posted By: double vanos

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 04:11 AM

Wow! I never thought a straight 30 would meet SN+.
Posted By: compratio10_5

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 04:47 AM

You have done your homework and either choice pictured should work well with your air cooled lawn equipment. The heavy duty CF/SG oil is suitable for older diesel engines and presumably has higher amount of ZDDP antiwear additive as well as more detergents and dispersants but it is duel rated SG for older gasoline engines and meets the requirements of your engine manufacturers. I think that that SAE 30 weight makes sense for air cooled engines used only in warm weather. The SN rated oil would be "cleaner burning" and preferable for any engine equipped with emission controls since the higher additive levels can damage catalytic converters. Now when you get your new truck, do the same homework and follow the manufacturers recommendations. That will not be the same oil that you are using in your air cooled lawn equipment.
Posted By: rubberchicken

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by double vanos
Wow! I never thought a straight 30 would meet SN+.


That popped out for me as well- I thought a straight 30 could never meet SN let alone SN+.
Posted By: bubbatime

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 05:19 AM

They have not discontinued the SuperTech HD30 quarts. They sell plenty of it down here in Florida. Maybe your New York location, it wasn't a hot seller, as I imagine most folks up in NY would use 5W30 or 10W30.

I believe you can buy it off their website and have it shipped to your store for free.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-Conventional-SAE-HD-30-Motor-Oil-1-Quart/16565394

Either of those 30 weight oils are good stuff. The 2 gallon container would be annoying and heavy to use. I'd stock up on the quarts myself.

I've also seen Delo and Rotella in SAE30 at Walmart, another option.

Based on your location and climate, I'm not quite sure why you don't just buy and use Rotella/Delo 10W30?
Posted By: Lubener

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 09:29 AM

Staight 30 is all I have used in my "fleet". Either one will do fine for you.
Posted By: MParr

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 10:37 AM

The HD 30 you have pictured in the quart bottle is what I’m currently running in my new Toro MX5400. It will do just fine.
Printed On: March 19, 2019
Description
WALMART HD 30 6/1QT WSE
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
29.85
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.877
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
210
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 410
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
87.96
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.94
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
110
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -33°C (-27°F)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.38
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 6.1
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.077
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.132
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.043
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.018
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.004
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.92
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.086
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7

Claims Information
API SN PLUS
Approved
API SN Approved
API SM
Meets Requirements
API SL Meets Requirements
API SJ, SH, SG, SF, SE, SD, SC
Meets Requirements
Posted By: bullwinkle

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 12:00 PM

I would use the HD 30, the 30 "CF" which is actually CF-2 is going to be a reduced sulfated ash Detroit Diesel rated 2 stroke diesel oil, which will work in a gas application, but will have reduced TBN base numbers, may turn acidic if left in too long. I'd still use it, but I would change it more often than the HD 30. Not sure where in NY you are, but some auto parts stores carry straight 30 as well-Chevron Delo 400 is a great one for OPE if you can find it.
Posted By: beanoil

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 01:24 PM

I'd run the HD30 with the CF/SG rating, but frankly, either is OK.
You can also look at Rural King if you have in your area, Mobil Delvac 1630 is on the shelf.
Or Tractor Supply hasTraveller 30 weight diesel oil.
Grainger has several 30 weight oils and you can pick up the order. They even carry the unicorn Valvoline Fleet 30.
You have options.
Posted By: punisher

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 01:56 PM

I would be willing to put down a wager, a small one, that that "straight 30" is a 10w-30 as well. You can't get an "SN" without some significant synthetic content, and the VI of a synthetic blend gotta be greater than just a straight 30.
Posted By: Linctex

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by double vanos
Wow! I never thought a straight 30 would meet SN+.


Me too.... how did that happen???
Posted By: Kamele0N

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by punisher
I would be willing to put down a wager, a small one, that that "straight 30" is a 10w-30 as well. You can't get an "SN" without some significant synthetic content, and the VI of a synthetic blend gotta be greater than just a straight 30.

+1...

...it happened "like that" wink
Posted By: Linctex

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by bullwinkle
.... a reduced sulfated ash Detroit Diesel rated 2 stroke diesel oil, which will work in a gas application, but will have reduced TBN base numbers, may turn acidic if left in too long. I'd still use it, but I would change it more often



"TAN" numbers will be going lower and lower anyway - -

since all gasoline is going "Ultra Low Sulphur"
Posted By: Linctex

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kamele0N
Originally Posted by punisher
I would be willing to put down a wager, a small one, that that "straight 30" is a 10w-30 as well. You can't get an "SN" without some significant synthetic content, and the VI of a synthetic blend gotta be greater than just a straight 30.
+1... ...it happened "like that" wink


Gotcha!

That's Interesting
Posted By: GMBoy

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/03/19 04:22 PM

I just use synthetic 10W/30 in my lawn equipment. Better protection and less changes needed. Just top off as needed it you burn a little oil.
Posted By: NH73

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/04/19 12:54 AM

If you don't want to use a synthetic use a HDEO 10w30. They won't go away and hold up as well as a HD30.
Posted By: cleanoil332

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/04/19 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by bubbatime
They have not discontinued the SuperTech HD30 quarts. They sell plenty of it down here in Florida. Maybe your New York location, it wasn't a hot seller, as I imagine most folks up in NY would use 5W30 or 10W30.

I believe you can buy it off their website and have it shipped to your store for free.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-Conventional-SAE-HD-30-Motor-Oil-1-Quart/16565394

Either of those 30 weight oils are good stuff. The 2 gallon container would be annoying and heavy to use. I'd stock up on the quarts myself.

I've also seen Delo and Rotella in SAE30 at Walmart, another option.

Based on your location and climate, I'm not quite sure why you don't just buy and use Rotella/Delo 10W30?


The pics I posted are the NEW stuff, the ones they seem to have discontinued say just SAE 30 Mower oil on them or something like that and are not HD.

HD SAE 30 had been previously suggested to me for the 344cc engine and I used Castrol HD straight 30 for that engine no problem.

Yes I did see Rotella diesel SAE 30 too but googled a bit on my phone and decided not to get it but that I would ask here or email the manufacturer if OK since I want SAE 30. I want SAE 30 because it burns off less in hot weather compared to multiweight 10w-30.

Overall the cleanliness of the fumes I want to keep as clean as possible, so that's why now I'm all paranoid about the additives in this Diesel (or gas) HD stuff. If I can find regular non - HD SAE30 'mower oil' do you think that would be at least slightly less toxic burn off than this HD diesel (or gas) stuff?
Posted By: cleanoil332

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/04/19 04:49 AM

so wait, one said use the quart stuff since the 2 gallon is basically diesel 2 stroke oil. But others are saying the quart size with the SN rating is basically 10w-30.

Which is cleanest exhaust is all I really care about mostly.


Which true straight 30 is clean burning ? A non diesel I would assume.
And maybe I WILL try and find a way to get a case ordered to store or something so I'm not paying out the A for it to be delivered.
Or is it a small difference of fumes compared to these HD diesel Walmart supertech stuff? If so, I'm still confused which Walamrt one to stock up on.
Posted By: Kamele0N

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/04/19 07:20 AM

If you are so paranoid about clean exhaust fumes and clean pipe....then try those emission oriented oils...like E6/E9 for HDEOs or ACEA C3 / MB 229.51/52.... BMW LL-04 / vw 504 /507 smile
Posted By: mk378

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/04/19 03:48 PM

The point of a 4 cycle engine is not to burn oil at all, not to have an oil that "burns cleanly". Using thinner oil than the manufacturer recommends is almost certain to result in increased oil burning. If you have an engine that is old and worn and burns lots of oil, use a heavy oil in it since wear protection is now a moot issue.

The stuff in the 2 gallon bottle should not be used in modern cars and trucks.
Posted By: DONWATERS

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/04/19 07:02 PM

I just ordered and received a 2 gallon jug of the 30 cf from walmart. It was on sale around $18, regular price is too high for me. This is ideal IMO for small engines in Florida. Like generators and mowers. 2 gallons lasts a long time too. Great in generators. Any multi weight seems to just burn off in these since mine are under constant load near their peak when we have a hurricane. And its hot, my thermometer says 98 right now. Also the multi weight seems to foul the plugs. This doesn't.
Posted By: cleanoil332

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/06/19 04:48 AM

The point of a 4 cycle engine is not to burn oil at all, not to have an oil that "burns cleanly". Using thinner oil than the manufacturer recommends is almost certain to result in increased oil burning. If you have an engine that is old and worn and burns lots of oil, use a heavy oil in it since wear protection is now a moot issue.

as mentioned my stuff doesn't burn off oil, no piston or ring etc problems. but still I think some oil does burn. I have a brand new Makita 4 cycle backpack blower, and did the first oil change and when I was enclosed in a porch blowing I could smell a difference in the exhaust vs before I changed the oil.
Basically I think a bit of oil will always burn off hence I prefer straight 30 in summer heat. so I am wondering both which of these oil is cleanest for mowers, but more importantly which is best suited for mowers?


The 2 gallon says for diesel or gas engine. The quart just says for gas, so I'm thinking more additives are in the diesel one, and that the less unnecessary additives the better?

I'll email supertech now and link this thread to see what they say.



If you are so paranoid about clean exhaust fumes and clean pipe....then try those emission oriented oils...like E6/E9 for HDEOs or ACEA C3 / MB 229.51/52.... BMW LL-04 / vw 504 /507 smile

Seriously or sarcastic? Those'll work for mowers and are worth it even if I have a decent amount of new engines and change oil regularly?
thanks

should I just use full synthetic, or no?

EDIT: seems supertech I can't actually email them they are like a secret manufacturer for Walmart and I know emailing 'walmart' will get me no answers.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1403744
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1857622
Posted By: cleanoil332

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/09/19 01:34 AM

BUMP

I joined this forum just to ask this, thinking yall would know cry

There must be thousands of people wondering the same thing since Walmart stupidly discontinued their 'SAE 30 Mower oil'. Possibly googling and will find this thread.
Sure 10w-30 is ok but yes SAE30 is better for Summer.

1) which of these two is better suited for mowers
2) which is cleaner burning, or would 'SAE 30 mower oil" (such as briggs/Honda etc quarts) be the cleanest (no unnecessary additives etc fumes).

I'm gonna give it a shot emailing Walmart, I think they owe it to the consumers since they discontinued the regular SAE30 but getting these questions answered from them, well, we'll see what they say but I'm not too confident about it.
Posted By: Garak

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/09/19 02:26 AM

Come up to Canada. Our Walmarts will sell you a five gallon pail of Supertech SAE 30. wink
Posted By: Elkins45

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/09/19 02:41 AM

Tractor Supply or Rural King have options for straight 30 weight in gallon or larger containers. I have been perfectly happy with the Traveller brand in two gallon jugs from Tractor Supply.
Posted By: Warstud

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/09/19 03:59 AM

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Posted By: BigD1

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/09/19 12:41 PM

My GCV 160 Honda engine on a Honda self propelled mower would have to be topped off every mow using Pennzoil 10W-30 conventional. Switched over to Kohler dual rated universal engine oil, and consumption immediately stopped. Picked up the big jugs of Briggs SAE 30 on clearance at Walmart couple years back, and there is no consumption with that oil either.
Posted By: 4WD

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/09/19 12:54 PM

Walmart has Quaker State SAE30 online …
Posted By: cleanoil332

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/10/19 06:08 AM

I saw the rotella diesel SAE30 on the shelf and was going to email them. Seems it should be ok based on this thread link, and basically the same sort of thing as the 2 gallon diesel/gas supertech sae30.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2305551/1

i'm just gonna stick with the quarts of the SAE HD-30 supertech for $2.78 each I pictured
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Super-Tech-Conventional-SAE-HD-30-Motor-Oil-1-Quart/16565394

I guess it's basically the same as this Castrol SAE 30 HD I've used before and was suggested that oil for the larger mowers and was happy with it.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-30W-Conventional-Motor-Oil-1-QT/17253555

I guess yes HD heavy Duty might actually be better than non-HD even for just a smaller push mower, and that yes maybe there's extra additives that make the fumes a bit more toxic than non-HD but the difference is hopefully/probably negligible. I think the Diesel/Gas might actually have more toxic additives fuming compared to HD SAE30 but again probably not a big deal if engine doesn't smoke in the first place like mine.

I will keep a look out for tractor supply if I go that way, or other places that might have non-HD straight 30 but the supertech HD30 should be fine.

Sound about right?
Posted By: LubeFiner

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/14/19 09:12 PM

The CF is an older diesel oil rating which that oil is.

CF-2
Obsolete
Service typical of two-stroke cycle diesel engines requiring highly effective control over cylinder and ring-face scuffing and deposits. Oils designed for this service have been in existence since 1994 and may be used when API Service Category CD-II is recommended. These oils do not necessarily meet the requirements of API CF or CF-4 unless they pass the test requirements for these categories.

CF
Obsolete
Service typical of indirect-injection diesel engines and other diesel engines that use a broad range of fuel types, including those using fuel with high sulfur content; for example, over 0.5% wt. Effective control of piston deposits, wear and copper-containing bearing corrosion is essential for these engines, which may be naturally aspirated, turbocharged or supercharged. Oils designated for this service have been in existence since 1994 and may be used when API Service Category CD is recommended.

I just don't understand why so many want to go as cheap as possible on OPE maintenance when the prices are going up for replacements. IMHO, stay with high quality items and keep it for 20 yrs.
Posted By: ka9mnx

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/15/19 07:24 PM

I use ST 10w-30 or 10w-40 (which ever I happen to pick up) in my OPE and I'm in South Carolina. They are both 30's when at operating temps. String trimmer, push mower, garden tractor and 8.5kw generator. I also maintain the same type of equipment that is used to cut grass (mostly weeds) at a 5 acre TV tower site. Used the straight 30 years ago but got harder to find. I think the OPE's run better on the multi grades,
Posted By: bchannell

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/18/19 08:08 PM

There is nothing really wrong with straight 30wt oil, and if it's available, no reason to not use it. But, there are better choices, ie. 10w30syn, or 15w40 dino come to mind. You can find ST 15w40 CJ/SN fairly easily, and you'd be hard pressed to prove any oil better for almost any ope from the lowly push mower right up to the most expensive 20-35hp ZTR or tractor, water or air cooled. So why fuss over 30wt that's hard to find.
Posted By: LubeFiner

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/19/19 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by bchannell
So why fuss over 30wt that's hard to find.


Never had this issue. I find it everywhere I go. Maybe I am fortunate? shrug
Posted By: passgas55

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/24/19 08:11 AM

Finding a straight 30wt on the shelves at any of the walmarts in my area just do not exist. Was told they will not carry it. I am moving on
to 15/40 delo for the air cools and syn 10/30 for the gen sets. Now I am down to just using 2 types of oil.
Posted By: LubeFiner

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 06/28/19 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by passgas55
Finding a straight 30wt on the shelves at any of the walmarts in my area just do not exist. Was told they will not carry it. I am moving on
to 15/40 delo for the air cools and syn 10/30 for the gen sets. Now I am down to just using 2 types of oil.


That is crazy. All of my local Walmart's stock it, along with any of the auto parts stores like NAPA, AZ, AAP, or O'reillys.
Posted By: rokwldr

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 09/01/19 12:35 PM

Walmart used to outsource their house brand oil to Warren Performance Products, a well known oil manufacturer. I don't know if it is the same now or not.
Posted By: bchannell

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 09/01/19 05:33 PM

If I'm correct, 30wt oil is not regulated as far as zinc and some other adds, so that really doesn't mean that an SG oil is any better for small engines than an SN plus, as far as zinc concerned.
Also, Walmart here does "usually" has 30wt oil in stock. It's harder to find than 15w40 around here, but it is out there. If you look at the sus visc of 30wt and 15w40 they are fairly close, and since almost ever place I shop has 15w40, and it does give slightly better starting in cooler weather, I choose it. I also don't believe that oil companies/blenders put their best effort into 30wt oil, as it just simply is not a big seller. Let's face it, they could do away with it all together and there wouldn't be a big issue in most cases.My feeling is, IF I were to use 30wt and thought that it "had" to be used, I'd just go with synthetic 10w30.
Posted By: Eddie

Re: Walmart HD SAE30 Okay for mowers? 30-CF - 09/01/19 07:43 PM

Order SAE 30 on Walmart's website and pick it up at the store when it arrives about 3 days later. I see no value in insisting on a 30 weight oil when so many excellent name brand synthetics 10w30, 15w40 around.
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