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#728359 - 10/10/05 05:51 AM Amsoil 505.01 rating
msparks Offline


Registered: 06/11/02
Posts: 3331
Loc: Clarksville, Tennessee
From a recently newsletter that I recieved from an Attendee to the DJ convention:

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For those Volkswagen diesel owners concerned about specification 505.01, AMSOIL will be raising the rating on our 5W-40 European Motor Oil, #AFL, to meet or exceed this warranty requirement, in January 2006.

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#728360 - 10/10/05 07:39 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47126
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
ms - please spell out the performance requirements of 505.01, so we don't get into a "paper only" argument [Smile]

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#728361 - 10/11/05 09:26 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
msparks Offline


Registered: 06/11/02
Posts: 3331
Loc: Clarksville, Tennessee
I don't know the requirements. If Amsoil say's they meet it, well then I guess they do. If you don't like that, then don't use Amsoil. I'm not getting into arguments over what Amsoil meets and doesn't.

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#728362 - 10/11/05 09:35 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Dad2leia Offline


Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 1202
Loc: Glenshaw, PA
Hey, fight nice you two, you both sell the product.

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#728363 - 10/11/05 09:37 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47126
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
ms is probably smarter than me. I can't seem to avoid those rediculous discussions with people who wouldn't use a superior product because of some supposed interpretation of single word. [Smile]

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#728364 - 10/11/05 05:07 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Rex Offline


Registered: 10/02/05
Posts: 88
Loc: Indiana
All I know is what the car manual says and I quote:

"To assure that the oil you use is of the highest quality required by your car the following terms must appear on the oil container singly or in combination with other designations:"

So according to the manual, as long as it appears on the bottlel THEN its a go. Didn't say approved or passed, or have some special seal of approval. Just say APPEAR on the CONTAINER.

Once the 505.01 is on the Amsoil Bottle, then its good enough for VW as stated in the owners manual.

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#728365 - 10/14/05 12:39 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
moribundman Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 23591
quote:
So according to the manual, as long as it appears on the bottlel THEN its a go. Didn't say approved or passed, or have some special seal of approval. Just say APPEAR on the CONTAINER.
I totally agree, but just wait until a laywer get's his hands on this proclamation. [Wink]

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#728366 - 10/28/05 11:17 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19105
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
One BITOG member on here, Andy H (notice, that his username is AndyH on TDIClub though), NOT AndyH, went to an Amsoil conference and met up with AJ and discussed the 505.01 spec. AJ personally told him that the 5w-40 AFL will be reformulated to meet the 505.01 spec and the new product will go onsale in January. More details here, look for Andy's post:
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1124315&page=&fpart=4&vc=1

Michael

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#728367 - 10/28/05 11:56 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
moribundman Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 23591
quote:
AJ personally told him that the 5w-40 AFL will be reformulated to meet the 505.01 spec
But will it be approved by VW? After all, that is the point of contention.


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One BITOG member on here, Andy H (notice, that his username is AndyH on TDIClub though), NOT AndyH
You don't say...
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*makes note in top-secret BITOG members personal information file*

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#728368 - 10/29/05 02:35 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19105
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
quote:
AJ personally told him that the 5w-40 AFL will be reformulated to meet the 505.01 spec
But will it be approved by VW? After all, that is the point of contention.


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One BITOG member on here, Andy H (notice, that his username is AndyH on TDIClub though), NOT AndyH
You don't say...
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*makes note in top-secret BITOG members personal information file*

[LOL!]

No, it won't officially be VW/Audi approved, just another oil like Schaeffer's, which is recommended in 505.01 apps by its respective manufacturer.

Gee, I tried to explain this to another member in a similar thread in Car/Truck Engine Oil, and he seems to have a misunderstanding between "officially approved for use in 505.01 apps by VW" and "approved for use in 505.01 apps by the fluid's manufacturer." [Mad]

Nevertheless, in reality, the chances of the engine going toast due to a lube related failure is quite slim, and I personally wouldn't hesitate to use Amsoil's product over the GrpIII syn products by Motul, Elf, and Castrol as the Amsoil's product should be more stable viscosity wise, which may lead to reduced wear.

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Moribundman, since we live so close, we ought to meet up one of these days. [Wink]

Mike

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#728369 - 10/29/05 06:42 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
o2man98 Offline


Registered: 12/28/03
Posts: 501
Loc: Manitowoc, Wisconsin
I was told today by Dean Alexander that it would be January 2006 also. A lot of new stuff coming out soon.

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#728370 - 10/29/05 01:19 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
LarryL Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 1910
Loc: Vista, CA
Why can't Al call VW on the phone and get the new oil officially added to the approved list? You'd think that VW would like the idea of companies supplying oil for their precious little cars. VW can't possibly think they are in the oil production business. I guess if you're a tow truck driver you could always hope.

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#728371 - 10/30/05 08:09 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19105
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
quote:
Originally posted by LarryL:
Why can't Al call VW on the phone and get the new oil officially added to the approved list? You'd think that VW would like the idea of companies supplying oil for their precious little cars. VW can't possibly think they are in the oil production business. I guess if you're a tow truck driver you could always hope.

Al is too cheap to pay $500K for the licensing costs probably. [I dont know]

Mike

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#728372 - 10/30/05 08:20 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Ron Jeremy Offline


Registered: 06/18/02
Posts: 763
Loc: Canada
[/QUOTE]But will it be approved by VW? After all, that is the point of contention.

What about Magnussun-Moss? This whole 505.01 thing has been a real arrogant stunt by VW.

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#728373 - 10/30/05 08:28 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19105
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
quote:
Originally posted by Ron Jeremy:

But will it be approved by VW? After all, that is the point of contention.

What about Magnussun-Moss? This whole 505.01 thing has been a real arrogant stunt by VW.

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Theoretically, the act protects you from VW forcing you to use VW brand but does not protect you from having to use an oil that meets a particular spec.

The "hole" in VW's wording in their owners manual in regards to the oil spec is that they say that 505.01 must only be printed on the bottle, it makes no reference as to whether it must be approved for 505.01 by VW or only approved for 505.01 by the fluid's manufacturer.

Michael

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#728374 - 10/29/05 10:27 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
LarryL Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 1910
Loc: Vista, CA
So, did VW get burned by owners putting the wrong oil in the crankcase? You don't think that dealers were using cheap oil do you.....naw. The dealer knows everything about oil.....don't they? Maybe VW is trying to protect themselves from the dealers and the owners that go somewhere else are just being caught in the middle.

I've heard statements from service managers that make me wonder what they know. And the oil they pour into your car may have more to do with cost to them then hitting the right specs. Or the choice could be based only on a preference expressed by someone in the dealership.

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#728375 - 10/29/05 11:05 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
moribundman Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 23591
I'm with LarryL there. I believe that the dealers are a bigger problem than the customers. The customers will likely go with the carmaker's recommendation, if they are fully informed, but the dealers just want to lower their overhead. For years, my Audi dealer tried to put 20W-50 dino in my Audi.


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Moribundman, since we live so close, we ought to meet up one of these days. [Wink]

Mike

Mike, what have you learned about meeting online aquaintances in real life? For all you know, I could be a 52 year old, sweaty psychopath who lives in a homemade bunker and sharpens his meat cleaver collection for hours every day, cackling madly through rotten teeth. [Wink]

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#728376 - 10/29/05 11:46 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19105
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
I'm with LarryL there. I believe that the dealers are a bigger problem than the customers. The customers will likely go with the carmaker's recommendation, if they are fully informed, but the dealers just want to lower their overhead. For years, my Audi dealer tried to put 20W-50 dino in my Audi.


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Moribundman, since we live so close, we ought to meet up one of these days. [Wink]

Mike

Mike, what have you learned about meeting online aquaintances in real life? For all you know, I could be a 52 year old, sweaty psychopath who lives in a homemade bunker and sharpens his meat cleaver collection for hours every day, cackling madly through rotten teeth. [Wink]
I guess you didn't get the joke. [I dont know]

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#728377 - 10/30/05 03:30 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
LarryL Offline


Registered: 09/16/04
Posts: 1910
Loc: Vista, CA
If you want the bitog dataing service to work you have to put more info in your profile.

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#728378 - 11/01/05 08:59 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
moribundman Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 23591
quote:
I guess you didn't get the joke. [I dont know]
Michael, whoever made the joke shouldn't get into standup comedy and quit his day job - if he has one. Or maybe I'm just mentally retarded and don't get it. [Wink]

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#728379 - 11/01/05 04:56 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Don Stefanik Offline


Registered: 12/09/03
Posts: 573
Loc: Forest On
Al's to cheap to pay the $500,000.00 licensing fee!!!!!!!!??????????
No....... I would say he is smart not to pay it!!!

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#728380 - 11/01/05 03:26 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
nortones2 Offline


Registered: 07/02/03
Posts: 211
Loc: UK
Does the reformulation to 505.01 mean that the Amsoil will have to be a semi-synth? Just wondered if the upgrade will require a better carrier for the additive package:)

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#728381 - 11/08/05 08:55 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
The Critic Offline


Registered: 08/30/04
Posts: 19105
Loc: Walnut Creek, CA
"Michael, whoever made the joke shouldn't get into standup comedy and quit his day job - if he has one. Or maybe I'm just mentally retarded and don't get it."

I think you really took this the wrong way....I think the *wink* graemlin caused some of the misinterpretation.

My intent of that post, was the possibility of arranging, at some point in the future, perhaps a BITOG meet in the Bay Area. I meant to say it in a joking way...but I didn't think you understood that.

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#728382 - 11/08/05 09:26 AM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
moribundman Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 23591
*sigh* No, Michael, even though you think I didn't get it, it's you who failed to interpret my reply correctly. Let me say it clearly: I have no interest in meeting an online know-it-all, unless SHE is at least 18 years old and very, very hot. [Razz]

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#728383 - 11/08/05 11:32 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
Dad2leia Offline


Registered: 09/06/05
Posts: 1202
Loc: Glenshaw, PA
Fight nice kids...Although I kind of have to agree with the 18 years old and very hot part... [Big Grin]

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#728384 - 11/18/05 07:45 PM Re: Amsoil 505.01 rating
deepsquat Offline


Registered: 07/11/02
Posts: 961
Loc: Tacoma ,WA
*sigh* No, Michael, even though you think I didn't get it, it's you who failed to interpret my reply correctly. Let me say it clearly: I have no interest in meeting an online know-it-all, unless SHE is at least 18 years old and very, very hot.

"NOW that's funny! ...I don't care who you are !"

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