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#586228 - 07/23/02 06:45 PM Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Analysis update on Schaeffer's Mineral Moly Bond 15w40 . This is now the 3rd drain

I have some of Schaeffers Moly Bond mineral oil analysis and thought maybe this might draw some interesting points, especially when you're talking about extending drains with heavy extreme loads,with heavy acceleration and some idle time sitting in one place dependant on nothing more than air flow from the cooling fans unlike regular engines.

This is Schaeffers plain mineral and has no PAO base at all. That is the difference between the blend and this mineral and maybe a slight difference in the additives to offset what the pao offers.

This is one of Davids customers up in NC.

Linkbelt crane with a cummins 8.3 ltr engine.
Unit works in extremely dusty conditions.
Engine currently has 3,501hrs total engine time.
Oil drain intervals for this equipment is 250hrs
by the manufacture.

First drain had 341hr with recommended increase
to 415hrs

Second drain had 436hrs with recommended
increase to 510hrs.

3rd oil drain was done 10/03/02

code:
       First drain    Second drain   3rd drain
341hrs 436hrs 535hrs

Wear Metals
copper 0 1 2
iron 12 19 16
chrom 0 1 0
alum 1 2 3
lead 4 2 6

Additives
Mo 102 55 148
ph 1905 678 1071
zinc 1397 769 1277
mag 155 15 14
cal 4192 2072 4331
sodium
boron

Contaminants
antifrz
fuel
h20
silicon 2 4 5

Oil Properties
visc cst. 14.71 14.64 14.80
SAE 40wt 40wt 40wt.

allowable measures no higher 100%
sulphur 0 6 3
oxidation 7 5 5
nitration 9 6 4
soot 3 6 6

increase to 415hrs 510hrs Maintain Interval



All #'s left blank were default of 0.

I knew I forgot something... Moly Bond x200 15w40
http://www.schaefferoil.com/data/151.htm

[Cheers!]

[ October 18, 2002, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: David ]

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#586229 - 07/23/02 07:26 PM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
David Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 194
Loc: Roxboro, NC
Bob, I forgot to tell you what else this customer was happy about!
"I think because of the moly in moly bond x200 the engine turns over more freely in the winter months than before. A very noticeable differance" Bob, most of my other excatvating contractors say the same. Bob,you being down south probability don't see this as I do. David
[Coffee]

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#586230 - 07/23/02 08:00 PM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
con carne Offline


Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 60
Loc: British Columbia
I have some samples also from an 8.3 (Rotella T) that I could share for comparison - they would have all had 250 hrs. on the oil. (different application)

[ July 24, 2002, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: con carne ]

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#586231 - 07/23/02 08:37 PM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
Con, dig them analysis papers out and post them. Only thing we ever ask is the post presents the same #'s on the analysis sheet. Look forward to seeing them.

David, You're right, never have anyone noticing that is it never gets cold enough down here to worry about it.

Thanks,
bob

[ July 24, 2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]

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#586232 - 07/24/02 07:23 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
Johnny Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 14013
Loc: Retired | Wausau, WI
For all you drag racers out there, these are very impressive numbers. These are a lot harsher conditions than your Firbirds or Cameros will ever see on the dragstrip. Very impressive indeed. No wonder the farmers like this stuff.

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#586233 - 07/24/02 08:48 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
Bio-T Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 5336
Loc: London, AR
I sure would like to see these numbers on my truck, and I'd never change oil. These numbers are so good I just have to ask the following:
1. What type oil filtration system? Do they have a bypass filter system?
2. How many quarts make-up oil?
3. Were any of the filters changed during this period, including air cleaner?
In my younger life, in the oil fields of New Mexico, we calculated 40 miles for each 1 hour of operation on our equipment. 300 hours=12,000 miles. For those who may be wondering, I must not have been a good employee in the oil fields as I still have all 10 fingers.

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#586234 - 07/24/02 08:51 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
BOBISTHEOILGUY Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 1874
Loc: Ocala, Florida
What's really interesting Johnny is david and I both see some extremely good #'s for this mineral based oil. We have quite a few that come back extending drains.

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#586235 - 07/25/02 12:33 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
David Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 194
Loc: Roxboro, NC
quote:
Originally posted by 59 Vetteman:
I sure would like to see these numbers on my truck, and I'd never change oil. These numbers are so good I just have to ask the following:
1. What type oil filtration system? Do they have a bypass filter system?
2. How many quarts make-up oil?
3. Were any of the filters changed during this period, including air cleaner?
In my younger life, in the oil fields of New Mexico, we calculated 40 miles for each 1 hour of operation on our equipment. 300 hours=12,000 miles. For those who may be wondering, I must not have been a good employee in the oil fields as I still have all 10 fingers.

Vetteman, here are your answers to the 3 questions! I agree the numbers do look great! [Cheers!]

#1-OEM filtration system 2 filters ,1 was a full flow and not change between intervals.

#2-make-up oil can't say for sure, but serviceman does not think so. ( I asked him about this)

#3-no filters changed during this period, including air filter, but air filter was cleaned every 40 hrs. and then install a new one at oil change.

Thanks for asking vetteman, David [Coffee]

[bowdown] [Happy]

[ July 26, 2002, 12:59 AM: Message edited by: David ]

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#586236 - 07/25/02 01:29 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
Bio-T Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 5336
Loc: London, AR
David,
In short: FANTASTIC results. [LOL!] I am glad I put the Schaeffer's 15W40 in my 2001 PSD with 2K at change. And I'm running this one with out a bypass.

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#586237 - 07/25/02 02:49 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
David Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 194
Loc: Roxboro, NC
quote:
Originally posted by 59 Vetteman:
David,
In short: FANTASTIC results. [LOL!] I am glad I put the Schaeffer's 15W40 in my 2001 PSD with 2K at change. And I'm running this one with out a bypass.

Vetteman, I think you will be very happy with schaeffers 15w40. I too have a ton of customers using it in thier PSD and they love it. [HAIL 2 U!]
May I suggest using the #131 in the fuel? david [Patriot]

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#586238 - 07/25/02 08:38 AM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
Bio-T Offline



Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 5336
Loc: London, AR
Dave, Thanks for the suggestion.I got some of the #131, but I use it in my 2000 Mazda in the gas tank. Seems to work great. On my next order I may get a case and try it in the diesel fuel.
Believe it or not but I bought a case (4Gal) of the #139 Schaeffer's Soy Shield for my diesels. I can't get Bio Diesel, so the additive gives me some of those properties, ie. clean fuel lines, lubricating and cleaning the injectors. I just got it, so I can't give you of info on it.
I also have a gallon of Diesel Treat 2000 left, so I will add it in the winter.

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#586239 - 07/30/02 07:59 PM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
con carne Offline


Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 60
Loc: British Columbia
Here are the results of the samples from two identical log-loader machines with Cummins 6C 8.3 TA engines with identical hours. (5000 - 6000 hrs. for these tests) The oil used was Shell Rotella T XLA 15W40, 250 hr. intervals. I have four samples from two machines, but I have posted only the best and the worst. These machines also work in extremely dusty conditions and at high elevations. (5000 ft.)

code:
Fe  10      29
Cr 0 1
Ni 0 0
Si 2 4
Al 0 1
Pb 0 0
Sn 0 0
Cu 0 0
Na 1 2
K 0 0
B 1441 964
Ag 0 0
Mo 0 0
Mg 15 13
Zn 1474 1544
Ca 3258 3766
Ba 0 1

Soot 86 109 (% of allowable)

OX 81 91 ( " )

SUL 31 45 ( " )

V40 119.5 132.7
V100 14.9 15.7




[ July 31, 2002, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: con carne ]

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#586240 - 10/17/02 07:26 PM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
David Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 194
Loc: Roxboro, NC
Analysis update on Schaeffer's Mineral Moly Bond 15w40 . This is now the 3rd drain

I have some of Schaeffers Moly Bond mineral oil analysis and thought maybe this might draw some interesting points, especially when you're talking about extending drains with heavy extreme loads,with heavy acceleration and some idle time sitting in one place dependant on nothing more than air flow from the cooling fans unlike regular engines.

This is Schaeffers plain mineral and has no PAO base at all. That is the difference between the blend and this mineral and maybe a slight difference in the additives to offset what the pao offers.

This is one of Davids customers up in NC.

Linkbelt crane with a cummins 8.3 ltr engine.
Unit works in extremely dusty conditions.
Engine currently has 3,501hrs total engine time.
Oil drain intervals for this equipment is 250hrs
by the manufacture.

First drain had 341hr with recommended increase
to 415hrs

Second drain had 436hrs with recommended
increase to 510hrs.

3rd drain had 535 hrs.



code:
       First drain    Second drain   3rd drain
341hrs 436hrs 535hrs

Wear Metals
copper 0 1 2
iron 12 19 16
chrom 0 1 0
alum 1 2 3
lead 4 2 6

Additives
Mo 102 55 148
ph 1905 678 1071
zinc 1397 769 1277
mag 155 15 14
cal 4192 2072 4331
sodium
boron

Contaminants
antifrz
fuel
h20
silicon 2 4 5

Oil Properties
visc cst. 14.71 14.64 14.80
SAE 40wt 40wt 40wt.

allowable measures no higher 100%
sulphur 0 6 3
oxidation 7 5 5
nitration 9 6 4
soot 3 6 6

increase to 415hrs 510hrs Maintain Interval



All #'s left blank were default of 0.

I knew I forgot something... Moly Bond x200 15w40
http://www.schaefferoil.com/data/151.htm

[Cheers!]

[ October 18, 2002, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: David ]

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#586241 - 10/17/02 10:30 PM Re: Linkbelt crane- Schaeffers MOLY BOND mineral oil
RB Shannon Offline


Registered: 05/29/02
Posts: 277
Loc: Greencastle Pa.
It gives ne the warm fuzzies knowing thats in my tractors now [Happy] ,soon to be using the #306 in my truck.What I find interesting is the drop in additives in the second analysis,I'm kind of curious what happened, the moly seemed to jump right in there to protect the engine

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