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KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? #5460033 06/22/20 04:09 PM
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I have 2 bike hubs that use this grease. It's pretty expensive, I could bite the bullet because the hubs don't use a lot.

i was just wondering if there is an alternative that may be cheaper and more readily available.

KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A

(from data sheet)

Description
ISOFLEX LDS 18 SPECIAL A is a dynamically light long-term
grease for plain and rolling bearings. It consists of ester oil,
mineral oil and lithium soap. The product is resistant to ageing,
oxidation and water, and it protects reliably against corrosion.
Application

ISOFLEX LDS 18 SPECIAL A is suitable for plain and rolling
bearings operating at low temperatures and/or high speeds, for
example in grinding spindles, machine tool spindles, spindle
bearings, textile spindles, bearings in OE-spinning turbines,
bearings in precision and optical equipment.

Application notes
The lubricant is applied by brush, spatula, grease gun or grease
cartridge. Owing to the different compositions of elastomers and
plastic materials, compatibility tests are indispensable before
series application.


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5460070 06/22/20 04:55 PM
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well - just to play devils advocate....a manufacturer cant specify a brand of lubricant - just make a standard - what is the standard this lubricant meets?

Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: tundraotto] #5460076 06/22/20 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tundraotto
well - just to play devils advocate....a manufacturer cant specify a brand of lubricant - just make a standard - what is the standard this lubricant meets?

No idea. Can't find it on their website either.

If it makes a difference, these hubs use a sprag clutch instead of a ratchet system.


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: tundraotto] #5460077 06/22/20 05:15 PM
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Sure they can specify a brand, its done all the time especially where specialized lubes are required eg I have seen Molykote Gn specified for some applications not just a high concentration moly formula of some sort.
OP, Schaeffer’s 219 SynForce NLGI 1 may be something to look at, you can call them for a real answer not just some generic crap like some other companies.


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: Trav] #5460236 06/22/20 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
Sure they can specify a brand, its done all the time especially where specialized lubes are required eg I have seen Molykote Gn specified for some applications not just a high concentration moly formula of some sort.
OP, Schaeffer’s 219 SynForce NLGI 1 may be something to look at, you can call them for a real answer not just some generic crap like some other companies.


In the USA if they specify a brand - they have to provide it free of charge.

Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: tundraotto] #5460243 06/22/20 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tundraotto


In the USA if they specify a brand - they have to provide it free of charge.


LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Who does the enforcement on that?

You are sadly mistaken.


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5460302 06/22/20 09:34 PM
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In this case I think the “OE” means “open-ended” and not “original equipment.” This looks like a #2 lithium grease with an ISO VG 15 ester-mineral oil blend base fluid. It doesn’t appear to have any EP/AS properties at all. It’s like a spindle grease.

As a side note, ties-ins requiring the use of a lubricant to maintain a warranty are illegal and should be reported. I think the Magnuson-Moss Act is the federal regulation detailing this and other consumer protection.

Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: tundraotto] #5460698 06/23/20 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tundraotto
Originally Posted by Trav
Sure they can specify a brand, its done all the time especially where specialized lubes are required eg I have seen Molykote Gn specified for some applications not just a high concentration moly formula of some sort.
OP, Schaeffer’s 219 SynForce NLGI 1 may be something to look at, you can call them for a real answer not just some generic crap like some other companies.


In the USA if they specify a brand - they have to provide it free of charge.


Good to hear that! I guess If I go to the Honda dealer and tell them to give me the Honda bond for free because it is spec in the manual they will just hand it over.


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5460705 06/23/20 12:17 PM
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Let me be clear about this, Onyx specifies this lube but I am not and will not demand they give it to me for free. I don't have the energy or desire to fight someone on that especially because I think they are an OK company and offer a quality product. I know they are small and as a small business owner I can relate to the issues.

I just thought because we have some knowledgeable people here I could get a comparable/cheaper alternative to the Kluber lube. Did not want this to turn in to a MM [censored] contest smile


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5460719 06/23/20 12:43 PM
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How about

SHELL GADUS S2 V220 2
file:///E:/Downloads/GPCDOC_Local_TDS_Hong_Kong_Shell_Gadus_S2_V220_2_(en-HK)_TDS%20(3).pdf

or

Mobilux EP2 Lithium Grease - MLUX EP2

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants...ubricants/products/products/mobilux-ep-2


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5460840 06/23/20 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BeerCan
Let me be clear about this, Onyx specifies this lube but I am not and will not demand they give it to me for free. I don't have the energy or desire to fight someone on that especially because I think they are an OK company and offer a quality product. I know they are small and as a small business owner I can relate to the issues.

I just thought because we have some knowledgeable people here I could get a comparable/cheaper alternative to the Kluber lube. Did not want this to turn in to a MM [censored] contest smile


You really don't think I am doing that either do you?


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: Trav] #5460887 06/23/20 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by BeerCan
Let me be clear about this, Onyx specifies this lube but I am not and will not demand they give it to me for free. I don't have the energy or desire to fight someone on that especially because I think they are an OK company and offer a quality product. I know they are small and as a small business owner I can relate to the issues.

I just thought because we have some knowledgeable people here I could get a comparable/cheaper alternative to the Kluber lube. Did not want this to turn in to a MM [censored] contest smile


You really don't think I am doing that either do you?



I don't really understand your what your question pertains to smile But I am not really accusing you or anyone else of anything. I just had a feeling that the thread was starting to derail, and I wanted to keep it on track so to speak.

If my post was accusatory that was not my intention, I just want to stay greasy LoL


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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5460959 06/23/20 05:03 PM
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Campy I'm guessing? Supposedly, DuMonde Tech says Campy USA recommends their grease.

https://www.dumondetech.com/portfolio/freehub-grease/

I've used M1 Grease and Chevron Delo ESI 2 grease with no ill effects in Shimano stuff - Agip/Eni makes the OEM yellow Ca-based grease.

Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: nthach] #5461014 06/23/20 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nthach
Campy I'm guessing? Supposedly, DuMonde Tech says Campy USA recommends their grease.

https://www.dumondetech.com/portfolio/freehub-grease/

I've used M1 Grease and Chevron Delo ESI 2 grease with no ill effects in Shimano stuff - Agip/Eni makes the OEM yellow Ca-based grease.

It's an onyx hub. Works with a sprag clutch instead of ratchets so I'm guessing that is why the different grease


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2017 Ford F250 6.7 PS
2016 Ford F150 3.5 EB
2016 Porsche 981 GTS
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Re: KLUBER ISOFLEX LDS 18 Special A any alternative? [Re: BeerCan] #5461034 06/23/20 07:33 PM
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They can specify a grease but they can't tie the warranty into its use. If the warranty is over the point is moot.

The Kluber grease is different than the Schaeffer and Shell greases mentioned. Its PDS is available on line.

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