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Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? #5456761 06/18/20 10:01 AM
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Does a synthetic filter (e.g. Fram Ultra Synthetic) hold up better than cellulose media when the filter gets little usage but remains submerged in oil for several years (i.e. vehicle storage)? Additionally, are the problems associated with paper endcaps (e.g. Fram Extra Guard) in this application?

Also, which oil is best for vehicle storage? Synthetic or Conventional? There appears to be some disagreement:

Synthetics run off:
Originally Posted by Jimbo
Synthetics inherently "flow" at low temperatures, tending to run off rather than "cling".
Conventionals run off:
Originally Posted by NHHEMI
Conventional oil drains off the metal surfaces when it sits whereas synthetic leaves a film.

Are there any specific oils recommended for vehicle storage?

Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5456783 06/18/20 10:21 AM
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Just like you can't always take what's on a label seriously, you can't take everything you read on here seriously. Remember, this is a public forum- not a panel of Tribologists. There are a handful of members who do have such expertise, but that's the exception and not the rule.


Fill your crankcase with whatever oil meets the specifications required for your engine, a filter that fits, and your fuel tank with ethanol-free fuel. That will be plenty to put your car into storage.


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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5456791 06/18/20 10:27 AM
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First of all Fram has not used any of the dread cardboard endcaps for about a decade, why people still believe that they do I don't know. Might as well believe that Saddam was getting ready to nuke America in 2003.

Based on the parameters of what you are asking I personally would go with synthetic all the way around due to the nature of organic materials degrading more quickly.


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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: JustN89] #5456795 06/18/20 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by JustN89
Just like you can't always take what's on a label seriously, you can't take everything you read on here seriously. Remember, this is a public forum- not a panel of Tribologists. There are a handful of members who do have such expertise, but that's the exception and not the rule.


Fill your crankcase with whatever oil meets the specifications required for your engine, a filter that fits, and your fuel tank with ethanol-free fuel. That will be plenty to put your car into storage.



I'd probably add Redline Si-1 with the non ethanol and Lubegard Biofreeze in the cylinders. Maybe substitute a qt for redline or use Lubegard Biotech in oil. How realistic long do you plan on storing? If it was one of my Hondas then this is what I have been doing now without the biofreeze and would do.


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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: Ignatius] #5456806 06/18/20 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ignatius
First of all Fram has not used any of the dread cardboard endcaps for about a decade, why people still believe that they do I don't know. Might as well believe that Saddam was getting ready to nuke America in 2003.
But I saw a 3-year-old youtube video showing the cardboard. I was wondering if these endcaps tend to degrade while sitting in oil unused.

Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5456817 06/18/20 10:48 AM
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Fram still uses paper end caps on some of their oil filters. Not sure it's a bad thing.

Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5456878 06/18/20 11:38 AM
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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5456888 06/18/20 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by viscous
Originally Posted by Ignatius
First of all Fram has not used any of the dread cardboard endcaps for about a decade, why people still believe that they do I don't know. Might as well believe that Saddam was getting ready to nuke America in 2003.
But I saw a 3-year-old youtube video showing the cardboard. I was wondering if these endcaps tend to degrade while sitting in oil unused.


This are fiber endcaps, not paper or cardboard.


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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5456941 06/18/20 12:42 PM
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Yes, A synthetic media filter should last longer in storage or intermittent driving than a cellulose filter. I remember this instruction from Motorking who previously worked for Fram and was a member of this Forum. (I can't make the search function go back more than 1 year). Cellulose media is vulnerable to deterioration from water or acids in the oil. Be sure that any long term stored vehicle has a fresh oil and filter change and is completely warmed up (at least 30 minutes under load) so that all moisture is evaporated before being shut-off. Remember the old rule of thumb: "Never put your horse away hot and never put your car away cold"


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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5457053 06/18/20 03:24 PM
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If I were going to store one of my vehicles I would use a synthetic media filter with Castro Magnetec. Maybe the oil film would be better than something else after sitting?

Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5457059 06/18/20 03:27 PM
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Whatever oil and filter you would normally use when driving the vehicle.


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Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: walterjay] #5457105 06/18/20 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by walterjay
If I were going to store one of my vehicles I would use a synthetic media filter with Castro Magnetec. Maybe the oil film would be better than something else after sitting?


I follow the logic on the synthetic media in the filter.....but Magnatec? because of the magnetic oil particles? wait - what?

Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: viscous] #5457219 06/18/20 07:21 PM
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I’d use conventional oil for storage.
Ask a farmer what they use on their machinery. Synthetic is slippery and gravity is consistent.
Great for use, but not so much for what you’re looking at.
The additives mentioned for the upper cylinder area is a good idea. I dk which product is good or bad though.

Re: Synthetic Filter and Oil for Vehicle Storage? [Re: ChiTDI] #5457357 06/18/20 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiTDI
I’d use conventional oil for storage.
Ask a farmer what they use on their machinery. Synthetic is slippery and gravity is consistent.
Great for use, but not so much for what you’re looking at.
I've seen this perspective before and was wondering if it may be the case.

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