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"Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) #5455525 06/16/20 07:03 PM
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Re: "Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) [Re: wemay] #5455628 06/16/20 09:37 PM
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Conclusion I gathered: eek

VW genuine oil is not as good as others lol

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Re: "Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) [Re: aleneros] #5455732 06/17/20 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by aleneros
Conclusion I gathered: eek

VW genuine oil is not as good as others lol

He was using the old Castrol made VW oil. It now is made by Mobil. So it is already out of date.


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Re: "Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) [Re: wemay] #5455747 06/17/20 02:22 AM
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How would M1 vs Castrol, who are blending to the same VW approval make the test different?

Any company blending for VW, does so to VW's spec. If it was substandard to VW's approval requirements, it wouldn't get approval. So if they switched to M1 because of quality issues with Castrol yet Castrol is still approved, that would make the approval process dubious.

Switching over contractual issues makes more sense to me since again, Castrol still retains VW approval meaning it meets all VW requirements.

I still can't find any proof Mobil1 blends the current VW motor oil. We keep saying it does based on the bottle shape, but after looking at this video, where the VW and Ford bottles are...exactly the same yet the oil inside comes from different companies, it tells me we really don't know.

Unless theirs information out there i haven't seen.


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Re: "Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) [Re: wemay] #5455820 06/17/20 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wemay
How would M1 vs Castrol, who are blending to the same VW approval make the test different?

Any company blending for VW, does so to VW's spec. If it was substandard to VW's approval requirements, it wouldn't get approval. So if they switched to M1 because of quality issues with Castrol yet Castrol is still approved, that would make the approval process dubious.

Switching over contractual issues makes more sense to me since again, Castrol still retains VW approval meaning it meets all VW requirements.

I still can't find any proof Mobil1 blends the current VW motor oil. We keep saying it does based on the bottle shape, but after looking at this video, where the VW and Ford bottles are...exactly the same yet the oil inside comes from different companies, it tells me we really don't know.

Unless theirs information out there i haven't seen.


It's almost always contractual or for marketing reasons. For example years ago I read that companies were trying to move away from BP (Castrol) because of the bad press revolving around the Deep Water Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I really think that's why BMW left Castrol for Shell.

The VW bottle in the video isn't the M1 bottle. It's older stock. Perhaps Castrol blended for both Ford and VW in Europe?

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Re: "Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5455894 06/17/20 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by wemay
How would M1 vs Castrol, who are blending to the same VW approval make the test different?

Any company blending for VW, does so to VW's spec. If it was substandard to VW's approval requirements, it wouldn't get approval. So if they switched to M1 because of quality issues with Castrol yet Castrol is still approved, that would make the approval process dubious.

Switching over contractual issues makes more sense to me since again, Castrol still retains VW approval meaning it meets all VW requirements.

I still can't find any proof Mobil1 blends the current VW motor oil. We keep saying it does based on the bottle shape, but after looking at this video, where the VW and Ford bottles are...exactly the same yet the oil inside comes from different companies, it tells me we really don't know.

Unless theirs information out there i haven't seen.


It's almost always contractual or for marketing reasons. For example years ago I read that companies were trying to move away from BP (Castrol) because of the bad press revolving around the Deep Water Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. I really think that's why BMW left Castrol for Shell.

The VW bottle in the video isn't the M1 bottle. It's older stock. Perhaps Castrol blended for both Ford and VW in Europe?


Agreed, on all counts.

With regards to the bottle though, the post above my comment mentioned that VW has moved on from Castrol to Mobil1. In the past, other posts and threads were started with this as the subject matter. The new [black] bottles very much look like Mobil1 so the logical leap is that Mobil1 now makes the VW branded motor oil. I used this video as an example that this logic may not hold true. The Ford and VW bottles in this video are exactly the same...down to color. Yet, the presenter mentions them being from two different companies....VW being Castrol BP.


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Most of the posts I've seen regarding VW to Mobil have also referred to VW 508 oils. While it would not make any sense to use different suppliers, any changes to dealer bulk VW 502 has barely been mentioned here as far as I know.

My Passat has been on dealer VW 502 Castrol for a while now. I'm due for a change next week, since it's under warranty I have been choosing to let the dealer do the changes. Curious if it's going to get something new or not. I will ask when I take it in.


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Re: "Genuine Oils Review" - Ford v VW v MB v BMW (similar to PF but Euro style) [Re: KCJeep] #5455958 06/17/20 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KCJeep
Most of the posts I've seen regarding VW to Mobil have also referred to VW 508 oils. While it would not make any sense to use different suppliers, any changes to dealer bulk VW 502 has barely been mentioned here as far as I know.

My Passat has been on dealer VW 502 Castrol for a while now. I'm due for a change next week, since it's under warranty I have been choosing to let the dealer do the changes. Curious if it's going to get something new or not. I will ask when I take it in.


Along with the aforementioned 0w20 508.00, these are the oils i've seen at the dealer recently... since replacing the Castrol OE Professional "bottles".
My point being, how do we know this new [VW branded oil] is blended by Mobil1 just because of the bottle's current design?
For example, the Ford and VW bottles during the time the video was made, are exactly the same too (see at bottom). Yet, the blenders are different.


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Originally Posted by FordBroncoVWJeta
Originally Posted by aleneros
Conclusion I gathered: eek

VW genuine oil is not as good as others lol

He was using the old Castrol made VW oil. It now is made by Mobil. So it is already out of date.


Right. Plus this is flawed since we don’t even know the spec.


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Originally Posted by FordBroncoVWJeta
Originally Posted by aleneros
Conclusion I gathered: eek

VW genuine oil is not as good as others lol

He was using the old Castrol made VW oil. It now is made by Mobil. So it is already out of date.


Bottle looks like it is more from mobil super series. In EU its still Castrol from the factory to dealer service fill. Bottles can be made from a 3 part company and sold forward to mobil or Castrol. I know a company that is making mobil super labels film sheets that is put on the bottles for russian market.

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Originally Posted by TheIceStormof06
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Conclusion I gathered: eek

VW genuine oil is not as good as others lol

He was using the old Castrol made VW oil. It now is made by Mobil. So it is already out of date.


Right. Plus this is flawed since we don’t even know the spec.


It's VW504.00 / 507.00. But that wasn't the question. I only use this video as reference that a bottle design does not tell us, conclusively, what oil is inside. Again, in this video, the Ford bottle and the VW bottle are exactly the same, yet they are using different oil suppliers. Therefore, how do we know the current VW branded oil sold here, in the US is Mobil1 just because of the bottle design? We don't.


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Originally Posted by wemay
...Therefore, how do we know the current VW branded oil sold here, in the US is Mobil1 just because of the bottle design? We don't.


While I’m disinclined to go hunt it down, I’ve seen at least one picture of one of the new VW bottles that clearly has a mobil bottling code on the back.


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Originally Posted by wemay
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Originally Posted by aleneros
Conclusion I gathered: eek

VW genuine oil is not as good as others lol

He was using the old Castrol made VW oil. It now is made by Mobil. So it is already out of date.


Right. Plus this is flawed since we don’t even know the spec.


It's VW504.00 / 507.00. But that wasn't the question. I only use this video as reference that a bottle design does not tell us, conclusively, what oil is inside. Again, in this video, the Ford bottle and the VW bottle are exactly the same, yet they are using different oil suppliers. Therefore, how do we know the current VW branded oil sold here, in the US is Mobil1 just because of the bottle design? We don't.



Here in North America they are, but we don't know that is also true in Europe.

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Originally Posted by DuckRyder
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...Therefore, how do we know the current VW branded oil sold here, in the US is Mobil1 just because of the bottle design? We don't.


While I’m disinclined to go hunt it down, I’ve seen at least one picture of one of the new VW bottles that clearly has a mobil bottling code on the back.




I took pictures of a bottle for you. Can you tell me which code you're referring to?

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I took pictures of a bottle for you. Can you tell me which code you're referring to?



The one that starts with 110 on the back.


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