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Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? #5455102 06/16/20 10:20 AM
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Been searching on the internet for ATF stories on how MV ATF fluid ruined a transmission - Castrol Multi-Import is bad - Maxlife ruined my transmission - etc... Probably 15 different ways to construct that sentence it but can't seem to find hits. I'm not referring to wrong applications such as putting ATF4 in a GM truck or Honda DW1 in a Toyota, but using a multi-vehicle ATF that someone used for the correct application, and the trans still went bad specifically due to the fluid. Are ATF fluids that interchangeable? Been using Castrol IMV in my 03 Toyota Matrix for 25k miles and it seems to be doing pretty well. 2019 Sorento I will still use SP-IV.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455109 06/16/20 10:32 AM
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Personally, I have had success using multi-vehicle ATF's as long as it is not a Honda.

For example, I did a 3x drain and refill with Amsoil ATF in the fiancee's 07 Accord about 2 years ago. Initially, the shifts were a bit more "crisp" but were very acceptable. After about 20K, the shifts became extremely harsh and sloppy - especially the 1-2 shift. The Amsoil fluid was still bright red.
So, I performed two drain and refills using Honda DW-1 spaced 100 miles apart and the shift quality has been mostly restored to normal.

On the other hand, we have used hundreds of gallons of Maxlife ATF and Kendall VersaTrans LV in place of Nissan Matic-S with zero issues.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455113 06/16/20 10:41 AM
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I'm thinking you might need a metric to measure by. I mean, let's say someone put in Maxlife into a transmission, changed it every 30k from new, and the transmission broke a hard part (gear, sun shell, whatever) at the 250k mark. Fluid fault? What if instead the clutches were toast at that 250k mark instead? How do you determine normal wear and tear from effects of wrong fluid?

I suspect that wrong fluid usage will have immediate consequences due to different friction modifiers causing shift quality to change. But I don't know if it would translate into short trans life... a softer shift should wear things faster, but if it takes 200k to wear something out... was that normal wear and tear?

I'm not sure about wrong fluid being able to be used for say 100k but causing rapid wear-out of the transmission. They are all oils with similar properties and purpose. Short of CVT oil they all have to deal with the same bits. It makes me think that it would be a long time for wrong oil to do anything, like well past 100k. Shift quality aside that is, and wrong fluid aside (ATF4+ vs Type F as you mention).


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455114 06/16/20 10:41 AM
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I too have had success with MV fluid, specifically Valvoline MaxLife Multi-Vehicle. I'm currently using in five vehicles including my son-in-law's 2012 Ford Fusion. it appears to work well.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455117 06/16/20 10:46 AM
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A user on here had a GM transmission fail after switching to Valvoline Maxlife. I admit the timing was a bit unfortunate and he even sent a sample to Valvoline; he continued to badmouth the product even tho 100s of people have used it with no issues.

The apparent unvocalised premise of his position was "a properly maintained transmission will never fail" which is a bit tenuous.

I use Maxlife in my friends Tundra which calls for Dex3.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: simple_gifts] #5455123 06/16/20 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by simple_gifts
A user on here had a GM transmission fail after switching to Valvoline Maxlife. I admit the timing was a bit unfortunate and he even sent a sample to Valvoline; he continued to badmouth the product even tho 100s of people have used it with no issues.

The apparent unvocalised premise of his position was "a properly maintained transmission will never fail" which is a bit tenuous.

There were a lot of other things about his position that were more than a bit tenuous, his claim of failure wasn't the only thing. He had zero proof it was the fluid that caused the failure (assuming it even happened in the first place).

Probably this long thread and the individual in it that got banned:

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...-caution-regarding-valvoline-maxlife-atf


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455144 06/16/20 11:15 AM
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I've been following this stuff since about 2001 and never have I heard of maintenance enthusiast BITOGer type using a suitable for use ATF, and having their AT fail because of it.

I have used it in Honda, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Isuzu and domestic products without issue.

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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: simple_gifts] #5455153 06/16/20 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by simple_gifts
A user on here had a GM transmission fail after switching to Valvoline Maxlife. I admit the timing was a bit unfortunate and he even sent a sample to Valvoline; he continued to badmouth the product even tho 100s of people have used it with no issues.

The apparent unvocalised premise of his position was "a properly maintained transmission will never fail" which is a bit tenuous.

I use Maxlife in my friends Tundra which calls for Dex3.
How many trans missions fail because of the lube used? No I am not saying lube never changed or a high mile wear out . Parts breakage is why the trans failsand no oil will prevent a parts failure.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455166 06/16/20 11:38 AM
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I have used it mostly in older Hondas, Toyotas and Nissans with great results; certainly never a failure.
Recently I switched to Idemitsu specific blends in the newer cars, just because.
I will continue to use MaxLife in the older vehicles.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455170 06/16/20 11:44 AM
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I think the best you'll find is some qualitative data points such as the tranny shifted smoother with OEM fluid vs MV.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455171 06/16/20 11:46 AM
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No problems with Maxlife although a small sample of three cars.


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Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455214 06/16/20 12:30 PM
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I've had luck with MaxLife in Nissans but I didn't like the feel in Toyotas that need T-IV. I've also used it in a Subaru that called for both ATF-HP and DexIII with success as well.

Re: Any Horror Multi-Vehicle ATF Stories? [Re: rob1715] #5455233 06/16/20 12:48 PM
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Never had an issue myself. Only horror stories I have heard is using regular fluid in CVTs or other places its just not called for at all.

Uses a lot of Castrol Syn LV, Maxlife, etc... in many vehicles with not issues.


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For years and on many different vehicles I have been using the Valvoline Max Life with great success. Have used it in everything from Kia to medium duty diesel trucks. Often it improves the transmission shifting and down shifting. The only time I have not used it is on my daughters Honda Accord. I use the Honda supplied $tuff. And I have used Castrol CVT fluid in the Nissan Rogue.

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2006 Acura TSX, auto, 250K miles (best car I have ever owned)

Up until 100K, only OEM fluids, after that, a collection of Castrol Multi, Valvoline Maxlife, Valvoline Import, Idemitsu, with the occasional OEM, every 6-10K drain and fill.

Car is running like a top, with the exception of the AC. Usually these compressors go out WAY before 200K, so I'm lucky. New one and condenser going in this weekend.

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