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[Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) #5453237 06/13/20 09:35 PM
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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: DuckRyder] #5453251 06/13/20 09:59 PM
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Box says 99% efficient, but no micron size listed. Fram's website says 98%+ >20u.

Nice photos. thumbsup

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Seemingly packed full of filter media which does correlate with Fram stating this filter has 20 percent more filter media added.


Very, very good job Robert. Thank you very much for doing this and the other filter cut and open.


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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: DuckRyder] #5453256 06/13/20 10:07 PM
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Is this an EG or TG equivalent?

Thanks spending the money and for the C&P.


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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: DuckRyder] #5453314 06/13/20 11:14 PM
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Thank you for the cut and post thumbsup

Looks just like the A02 with the metal seam smile

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Originally Posted by 2015_PSD
Is this an EG or TG equivalent?

Thanks spending the money and for the C&P.

ToughGuard based on the mileage recommendation and filtration.
Cheaper to buy a ToughGuard though, but may be a decent deal through some of their oil/filter combos.


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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: blupupher] #5453419 06/14/20 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Box says 99% efficient, but no micron size listed. Fram's website says 98%+ >20u.

Nice photos. thumbsup


Thank You

Originally Posted by bbhero
Seemingly packed full of filter media which does correlate with Fram stating this filter has 20 percent more filter media added.


Very, very good job Robert. Thank you very much for doing this and the other filter cut and open.


I’ve got a cut tough guard, I’ll try to remember count the pleats on this, the TG is 43 IIRC, I’ll double check though.

Thank you and you’re welcome of course.

Originally Posted by 2015_PSD
Is this an EG or TG equivalent?

Thanks spending the money and for the C&P.


Definitely a cut above an EG, Looks like a TG with a metal seam clamp. So arguably a little better than TG.

You’re welcome of course.

Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Thank you for the cut and post thumbsup

Looks just like the A02 with the metal seam smile


You’re welcome.

Yup, the seam clamp like A02.

Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by 2015_PSD
Is this an EG or TG equivalent?

Thanks spending the money and for the C&P.

ToughGuard based on the mileage recommendation and filtration.
Cheaper to buy a ToughGuard though, but may be a decent deal through some of their oil/filter combos.


Curious the metal seam clamp the TG doesn’t have, yet same mileage recommendation.


Other things I noticed.

The tapping plate holes look slightly different than I recall, I’ll have to check is this is an optical illusion or faulty memory or if they actually differ.

The center of the dome end of the can is slightly concave unlike other FRAMs,

The coating is not rubbery like on the end of EG/TG/XG. I actually like it much better and a cap wrench should fit without issues.


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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: DuckRyder] #5453440 06/14/20 06:37 AM
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where is this relative to fram ultra?


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: edwardh1] #5453515 06/14/20 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by edwardh1
where is this relative to fram ultra?

Below it.

From what we can tell, Fram's filters are ranked (from "best" to "worst")
  • Ultra
  • Titanium
  • ToughGuard
  • Force
  • ExtraGuard
  • Core


The question is how much difference really is between the Ultra/Titanium (seem very similar, but not identical) and the ToughGuard/Force (again, very similar, but not identical)
We know Fram makes the Ultra/Fram Pro Synthetic that are identical except for no grippy stuff on the FPS (same for the ExtraGuard and Fram Pro). The Titanium has a different baseplate than other Fram's (that may be rolled out to other filters ?), and here the Force has a metal crimp than the ToughGuard does not have.

These C&P by DuckRyder do show visually there is not a lot of difference between them, especially not enough to justify the price difference.


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'18 Soul: Delo 400 10w-30/ST
'12 xB: M1 EP 0w-20/CQ Blue
'10 Santa Fe: Pento HP 5W-30/TG
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'02 F150: PP 0w-20/M1
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Great pics DuckRyder!


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My truck does alot of hauling and towing.. and it traps dirt.

This is genius!

Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: DuckRyder] #5453608 06/14/20 09:54 AM
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too many choices. like sizes of car batteries- too many.
and how many brands of led light bulbs, maybe made in same factory in china, to confude the consumer?


These products are all new every year?? They are a revolution!!! Razor blades, mens shirts, TVs, wiper blades, gutter guards, hearing aids... according to the ads. But also all new last year
Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: DuckRyder] #5454318 06/15/20 10:12 AM
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I count 54 pleats.


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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: blupupher] #5454335 06/15/20 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by edwardh1
where is this relative to fram ultra?

Below it.

From what we can tell, Fram's filters are ranked (from "best" to "worst")
  • Ultra
  • Titanium
  • ToughGuard
  • Force
  • ExtraGuard
  • Core


The question is how much difference really is between the Ultra/Titanium (seem very similar, but not identical) and the ToughGuard/Force (again, very similar, but not identical)
We know Fram makes the Ultra/Fram Pro Synthetic that are identical except for no grippy stuff on the FPS (same for the ExtraGuard and Fram Pro). The Titanium has a different baseplate than other Fram's (that may be rolled out to other filters ?), and here the Force has a metal crimp than the ToughGuard does not have.

These C&P by DuckRyder do show visually there is not a lot of difference between them, especially not enough to justify the price difference.


In the past Fram has described the Ultra has having mixed media and you can still find such a description from certain retailers online.

Now I know everyone always wants definitive everything but I can say with about 99% certainty that the Titanium filter media is the no different from the Ultra filter media, same thing with the Force vs. Tough Guard. Now before anyone thinks, "well you are just a crazy guy on the internet that can't give us a definitive answer!" Please consider that Fram probably would not radically deviate from their standard product offerings so to downgrade their performance.

This is a simple repackaging of two products, you all are thinking waaaay to much into this.

Last edited by Ignatius; 06/15/20 10:41 AM. Reason: Change know to now

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Re: [Cut Open] FRAM Force FF7317 (Virgin) [Re: Ignatius] #5454371 06/15/20 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ignatius
Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by edwardh1
where is this relative to fram ultra?

Below it.

From what we can tell, Fram's filters are ranked (from "best" to "worst")
  • Ultra
  • Titanium
  • ToughGuard
  • Force
  • ExtraGuard
  • Core


The question is how much difference really is between the Ultra/Titanium (seem very similar, but not identical) and the ToughGuard/Force (again, very similar, but not identical)
We know Fram makes the Ultra/Fram Pro Synthetic that are identical except for no grippy stuff on the FPS (same for the ExtraGuard and Fram Pro). The Titanium has a different baseplate than other Fram's (that may be rolled out to other filters ?), and here the Force has a metal crimp than the ToughGuard does not have.

These C&P by DuckRyder do show visually there is not a lot of difference between them, especially not enough to justify the price difference.


In the past Fram has described the Ultra has having mixed media and you can still find such a description from certain retailers online.

Now I know everyone always wants definitive everything but I can say with about 99% certainty that the Titanium filter media is the no different from the Ultra filter media, same thing with the Force vs. Tough Guard. Now before anyone thinks, "well you are just a crazy guy on the internet that can't give us a definitive answer!" Please consider that Fram probably would not radically deviate from their standard product offerings so to downgrade their performance.

This is a simple repackaging of two products, you all are thinking waaaay to much into this.


You should read a bit further along.

The Titanium isn’t relevant to this thread, but the FF does in fact have more media in it than a TG, TG also does not have a seam clamp. So you are wrong that this is a repackaged TG, unless you want to argue the that they changed the TG at the same time, in which case I’m gonna need you to go buy one, cut it open and post pictures.

Last edited by DuckRyder; 06/15/20 11:40 AM.

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