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Pat Goss' perspective on thicker oils #5451706 06/11/20 11:29 PM
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Tell us how you really feel, Pat. Lol




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Re: Pat Goss' perspective on thicker oils [Re: wemay] #5451708 06/11/20 11:36 PM
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Wonder if he took into account the marketing department who said to the engineers "we need to produce the best fuel consumption numbers for the glossy brochure, what's the lowest grade we can get away with"? I use the thickest my manual will allow for my local environment and the best quality I can afford. Makes me feel good laugh


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Re: Pat Goss' perspective on thicker oils [Re: wemay] #5451717 06/12/20 12:21 AM
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For 98% of people (guess) he's probably right. Don't overthink it. With that said, I doubt if running a 5w30 in a 0w20 car matters. The only reason I bought 5w30 instead of 0w20 this time was because it was $2 cheaper 🤷‍♂️ And because I don't think it will matter to the engine at all. But that's my unscientific opinion.

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Originally Posted by omegaspeedy
Wonder if he took into account the marketing department who said to the engineers "we need to produce the best fuel consumption numbers for the glossy brochure, what's the lowest grade we can get away with"? I use the thickest my manual will allow for my local environment and the best quality I can afford. Makes me feel good laugh

Originally Posted by HowAboutThis
For 98% of people (guess) he's probably right. Don't overthink it. With that said, I doubt if running a 5w30 in a 0w20 car matters. The only reason I bought 5w30 instead of 0w20 this time was because it was $2 cheaper 🤷‍♂️ And because I don't think it will matter to the engine at all. But that's my unscientific opinion.


Pat makes a valid point as do the both of you. I realize that here in the States, 0W20 is a requirement for many engines without any alternative oil grades listed in the owner's manual. But in other countries where they're using the same vehicles/engines, they require(allow) for a multitude of other grades. Kind'a make you say...Hmmm!


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Re: Pat Goss' perspective on thicker oils [Re: wemay] #5451759 06/12/20 05:34 AM
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Re: Pat Goss' perspective on thicker oils [Re: wemay] #5451760 06/12/20 05:37 AM
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Re: Pat Goss' perspective on thicker oils [Re: Char Baby] #5451769 06/12/20 05:58 AM
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Of course we don’t know if the ECM is different in those countries

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The engineers don't write the owners manual.


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Originally Posted by omegaspeedy
Wonder if he took into account the marketing department who said to the engineers "we need to produce the best fuel consumption numbers for the glossy brochure, what's the lowest grade we can get away with"? I use the thickest my manual will allow for my local environment and the best quality I can afford. Makes me feel good laugh

That's my M.O, being new vehicles today are expensive and oil changes are cheap in retrospect.


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What he is saying is nothing more then any other intelligent person would say. Use the oil recommended by the manufacturer.
AS much as we BITOG people dont want to believe it, there is no intelligent response otherwise.

With that said, we all KNOW that going up a grade lets say to a 5w30 and/or possibly down a grade to a 5w20 is perfectly sound thinking depending on outdoor temperatures and the environment the vehicle is operated in. More or less the oil weight is based on an average temperature and just because the manufacturers have done away with those magical charts in the owners manual that used to allow you to select oil based on grade have disappeared doesnt change the fact that is is still a valid way to choose oil. In todays world, not giving you that choice I is more based on EPA and MPG.

Either way, for over 90% of Americans, if you change your oil on time, the engine will outlast the usefulness of the vehicle.

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He's not wrong.

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I would add that the OEM’s know 0w20 tends to be formulated from good base stock

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Ford changed their recommended oil from 5W-30 to 5W-20 for Modular engines back around 20 years or so ago. There are a lot of Mustang people who say the Modular motors need 5W-30 instead. Amsoil even published an article saying that this change was done for CAFE only, even though they had a 5W-20 oil available at the time. I would also trust a premium manufacturer of oil if they don't recommend the thin oil. Pat is basically right, though; you can use recommended oil w/o issue for everyday use.

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