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How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets #5448641 06/07/20 09:08 PM
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Going to have to replace the front speakers on my parent’s 2012 Hyundai Genesis which were originally riveted in. I found a Rivet gun and some rivets in my garage but I couldn’t get them to actually hold the speaker onto the door. I’m thinking of going and getting some u-shaped speed nuts and some bolts or screws to replace the speaker. Is that an acceptable method?

Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: TXCarGeek] #5448660 06/07/20 09:45 PM
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Can you get your hand around the back of the speaker? The ones I've had to remove I've just used 5mm bolts of the appropriate length with a lock washer and a nut on the back. Easy peasy.


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Unfortunately I cannot.

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I have used rivet nuts on some that are blind with great results, no nuts and washers to fiddle with.


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Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: TXCarGeek] #5448664 06/07/20 09:51 PM
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This is what I’m working with

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Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: TXCarGeek] #5448665 06/07/20 09:51 PM
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We'd need to see good pics to give suggestions, unless someone here has done that vehicle.

Edit: Okay you've posted one since I wrote that. The pic is a bit small but it looks like you have a plastic frame riveted to the door panel metal but the driver itself is a separate piece? Does that plastic need reused with a new driver or do new drivers come with this special frame for this application?

Since you don't have access to the back side, what I'd do is use sheet metal screws with new holes around the perimeter. Drill them to the correct size for the screws, then drill a slightly larger hole in the frame so the screws free spin in it. This assumes that the metal lip behind it, goes around the entire perimeter and not just forming tabs where each rivet was.

Looking at the surround on that, it looks like it can produce a fair amount of extension (thus bass) and you may need a gasket of some sort behind it to eliminate rattling or buzzing between the frame and door metal. I mean even if there was one, it could end up in bad shape from removal or compressed for years. Even single wall cardboard would be better than nothing, but I'd think about a thin layer of already-set RTV sealant too, holding the cardboard on and adding additional cushioning.

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Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: Trav] #5448667 06/07/20 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
I have used rivet nuts on some that are blind with great results, no nuts and washers to fiddle with.


I’ve seen those and they look cool but I don’t have the tool to install those and don’t really want to buy something I’ll probably never use again.

I’m hoping the u shaped speed nuts will work.

Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: TXCarGeek] #5448668 06/07/20 09:53 PM
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Make sure you use nylok nuts or thread locker or else you will be pulling them apart looking for the buzzing sound in 6 mos. If you want to use pop rivets you may have to get longer ones and use rivet washers on the back

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Originally Posted by Dave9
We'd need to see good pics to give suggestions, unless someone here has done that vehicle. Is it possible that your rivets just need some washers added, or are they too short for that? Granted, a hand rivet gun isn't so great for larger rivets like sometimes put on at the factory.

Generally yes, speed nuts, or even standard bolts and nuts w/lock washer (or locknuts) if you have access to the back side to do it. Just make sure there's no play so they don't rattle or buzz, but also make sure that fastening them down does not deform the frame and put tension on the driver cone. If necessary, shim behind any areas that need it in order to keep the speaker frame from deforming, or bend the underlying metal to correct it.


The rivets are too short to go through both the Plastic speaker Surround and the steel panel that the speakers fasten to.

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Originally Posted by samven
Make sure you use nylok nuts or thread locker or else you will be pulling them apart looking for the buzzing sound in 6 mos. If you want to use pop rivets you may have to get longer ones and use rivet washers on the back


Is it fairly easy to find longer rivets? I only have what came in the kit that you can pick up from oreilly. I don’t have much experience using rivets either.

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Originally Posted by TXCarGeek
The rivets are too short to go through both the Plastic speaker Surround and the steel panel that the speakers fasten to.


I changed my prior post after having seen the pic.

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Originally Posted by Dave9
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The rivets are too short to go through both the Plastic speaker Surround and the steel panel that the speakers fasten to.


I changed my prior post after having seen the pic.


The plastic frame is integral to the entire speaker. It cannot be separated. The backing has a foam gasket to prevent rattles.

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More pics including the back of the speaker.

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Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: TXCarGeek] #5448687 06/07/20 10:06 PM
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This is what the steel panels looks like without the speaker.

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Re: How to Refit Speakers that use Rivets [Re: TXCarGeek] #5448707 06/07/20 10:31 PM
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The home stores or farm stores should have a selection as well as Amazon. You can get the rivets in varying length as well as diameter. Diameters are usually on the small side 1/8", 5/32, 3/16, 7/32. The lengths are listed as ranges of thickness they are designed to tie together. Make sure the diameter is an exact match to the hole size or you will not get a good tight clamp or the rivet will pull through when you tighten it.

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