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Run away tiller #5448096 06/07/20 06:28 AM
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Ie the widowmaker.

I gave up on the engine that was originally in my hand tiller and put a HF 6.5 hp Predator engine on it. Couldn’t get it running. Cleaned the carb, bought a new carb that didn’t have matching holes. etc. Small engines aren’t my forte.

Anyways, everything works the way it should including the self propelled, minus it having no reverse (original 5 hp Briggs had twin cranks that made reverse with a tensioner) and the throttle is now at the engine rather than the handle.

It does decent on soft soil with the depth gage lowered, but if it’s angled just right, it’ll shoot across the ground pulling me with it. Quite the site to see I’m sure. Any deeper amounts of soil and/ or lower throttle and it does the same thing.

What would cause this?

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Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448124 06/07/20 07:15 AM
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Sounds like a Try-Bilt Pony. Am I getting warm? Normally the drive wheels would hold it back. Mine would only take off like that when trying to till too deep into soil that hadn't been tilled before. Try multiple passes, lowering the tilling depth as you go.


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Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448137 06/07/20 07:49 AM
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haha, I have the same setup. What's worse is the spring that held it in neutral broke, so it would jump into gear when idling. crzy Fixed that with a zip-tie and a leftover spring from a drum brake hardware kit.

You're catching roots or other obstacles with the tines. Wife is the "tiller operator" and she was mad that the factory tecumseh motor wouldn't pull like a bull at 1000 rpm, and kept stalling. I put the predator on and she's tickled now with the torque and smooth running.

Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448161 06/07/20 08:32 AM
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If it's front tine, Normal; if it's rear, and no drive wheels, Normal; gear driven machines less so, heavy machines, Never!


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Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448180 06/07/20 08:56 AM
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Is the wheel clutch engaged? With the engine stopped you should NOT be able to roll the machine freely on the wheels. On a Troy-Bilt Pony, etc. the wheel clutch is the turn lever on the right side to disengage the wheel drive to roll the tiller around with the engine stopped. During operation it should be engaged instead.

I always thought the tires should be put on backwards from how tractor tires are normally mounted, since their real purpose is not to drive the machine forward, but to hold it back.

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Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448221 06/07/20 09:41 AM
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The garden was tilled with a 3 point tiller behind the tractor last fall. No roots or obstacles.

It’s a rear tine forward rotating tiller. Pretty heavy too and has the front weights. Figured an old school beefy tiller with a reliable engine would be the ticket. The wheels are pinned when in use.

Could dull tines case this?

*The engine bolted right up btw. No drilling required.



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Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448226 06/07/20 09:58 AM
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I had a very similar tiller made by Snapper. With your throttle no longer on the handle, be careful! It could easily be a widow maker.


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Re: Run away tiller [Re: NormanBuntz] #5448321 06/07/20 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NormanBuntz
I had a very similar tiller made by Snapper. With your throttle no longer on the handle, be careful! It could easily be a widow maker.



Yup. Install this or similar:

https://smile.amazon.com/Stens-290-163-Throttle-Control-Cable/dp/B00D9TI6WI/ref=sr_1_5

Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448409 06/07/20 03:13 PM
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I have not had great luck fitting throttle cables to HF engines. They have too much friction in the pivots of their throttle levers.

However, you could easily install an electric kill switch. Splice into or replace the low-oil shutdown wire.

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Originally Posted by eljefino
I have not had great luck fitting throttle cables to HF engines. They have too much friction in the pivots of their throttle levers.

However, you could easily install an electric kill switch. Splice into or replace the low-oil shutdown wire.


You do realize there is an adjustable nut with nylon insert to set the tension on the pivot? wink

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Re: Run away tiller [Re: dlundblad] #5448614 06/07/20 08:14 PM
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Good idea on the kill switch at least. I’ll see if I can rig something up for the throttle too.


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