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Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO #5447253 06/05/20 09:08 PM
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25%-50% ? Which probably means 25.
It's been mentioned on other boards that this is a primarily/majority PAO oil which is why I bring it up. Not that special when considering others. But still looks good.

And remember, this is the oil developed with VW.

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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: wemay] #5447270 06/05/20 09:32 PM
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What is the big whoop about PAO?


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: CT8] #5447284 06/05/20 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CT8
What is the big whoop about PAO?


I tend to agree. But some don't consider grpIII a syn, only IV and V.


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: CT8] #5447293 06/05/20 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CT8
What is the big whoop about PAO?


Yup,
If the oil you choose meets the specs for your application, does POA content really matter?


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: wemay] #5447302 06/05/20 10:34 PM
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It's in response to Gokhan advising M1EP was probably a better oil. And by the metrics of PAO, he's right...

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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: Danno] #5447308 06/05/20 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danno
Originally Posted by CT8
What is the big whoop about PAO?


Yup,
If the oil you choose meets the specs for your application, does POA content really matter?



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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: wemay] #5447332 06/05/20 11:40 PM
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No it does not mean 25%. Means that different batches might have different % as not all batches are made in same location. Also, market, geopolitical events, natural disasters sometimes influence supply of certain products (like hurricane obliterated supply of PAO for Mobil1 in mid-2000) so I guess they are leaving bit of room.


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: wemay] #5447333 06/05/20 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
It's in response to Gokhan advising M1EP was probably a better oil. And by the metrics of PAO, he's right...


That is absolutely ridiculous metric as Mobil1 has specific oil for VW508.00. Nothing stops Mobil1 to get VW508.00 approval for Mobil1 0W20EP if oil actually can get that approval. But idea behind approvals is precisely that one that you, consumer, do not have to think about which oil is suitable for your engine and play guessing game.
Now, in the future Mobil1 or Castrol might go with common 0W20 Extended Performance and get Euro approvals, but obviously we are not there. It would make sense, it would simplify market.

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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: edyvw] #5447344 06/06/20 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
No it does not mean 25%. Means that different batches might have different % as not all batches are made in same location. Also, market, geopolitical events, natural disasters sometimes influence supply of certain products (like hurricane obliterated supply of PAO for Mobil1 in mid-2000) so I guess they are leaving bit of room.


Ah, thank you for that information.


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: CT8] #5447436 06/06/20 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CT8
What is the big whoop about PAO?

Yep, still no answer. Must be proprietary informantion. grin


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: wemay] #5447441 06/06/20 07:13 AM
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Keep beating a dead horse why dont we!!!!


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: wemay] #5447553 06/06/20 09:43 AM
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I thought VW told Casstrol to take a flying leap and abandoned them as a supplier. Something to do with being ripped off by a lower quality, mis-represented product, or something to that affect. They went with M1 now it seems. trolling

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Originally Posted by sloinker
I thought VW told Casstrol to take a flying leap and abandoned them as a supplier. Something to do with being ripped off by a lower quality, mis-represented product, or something to that affect. They went with M1 now it seems. trolling

Yes you are trolling as you often do.

Yet another instance.


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Re: Castrol Edge LL IV 0w20, not majority PAO [Re: sloinker] #5447580 06/06/20 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sloinker
I thought VW told Casstrol to take a flying leap and abandoned them as a supplier. Something to do with being ripped off by a lower quality, mis-represented product, or something to that affect. They went with M1 now it seems. trolling


Sloinker, can you share a link to this information?


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Originally Posted by wemay
It's in response to Gokhan advising M1EP was probably a better oil. And by the metrics of PAO, he's right...

I don't think I said exactly that. Base-oil quality is only one of the variables in the equation, even though it is a very big variable and the most dollarwise expensive variable.

I think few Euro-OEM 0W-20 oils are fully PAO-based. 50% PAO is still a very good amount.

Euro OEM 0W-20's oils are more keen on reducing wear than their ILSAC counterparts, as they keep the ZDDP level higher. I also typically see less VII content with them, which translates to a thicker base oil, which also reduces wear in theory. This doesn't necessarily mean than a Euro-OEM oil will outperform a given ILSAC oil in protecting against wear in real-life situations or even in actual bench engine tests.

The strength of Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20 is what it is marketed for—longer OCI's. This is because of the higher-quality base oil and higher antioxidant content.

Moreover, it is hard to beat the research and development efforts of companies like ExxonMobil, which use custom additive packages and go through dozens of formulations before they choose the optimal formulation. This is in contrast to a generic Euro-OEM oil blended by using a generic OEM-approved additive package from a major additive supplier.

However, use the OEM-approved oil when you're in doubt, especially when your car is under warranty.


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