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Check your spark plugs if you order them online #5432647 05/18/20 05:48 PM
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Bought some NGK Iridium plugs to put in the 2014 Tacoma and 2008 Tundra back in 2017. Both vehicles can take the same plug. I found out today thanks to BITOG that the plugs are counterfeit. The plugs have less than 40,000 on them and I was shocked at the level of wear for a Iridium plug. So instead of ordering them online I went up to Autozone a Authorized Reseller and purchased 6 new, identical plugs. I changed them out in the Tacoma the Tundra will have to wait for another day and won't get used until they are changed. I called NGK and confirmed with them they are fakes.

My advice is if you have changed plugs and didn't get them from a authorized reseller you may want to check them. There is no telling what could happen if you leave them in.


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432652 05/18/20 05:53 PM
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So you got them from Amazon?

Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432659 05/18/20 05:59 PM
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I brought my NGK plugs from Rockauto I hope they wasn’t fake


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432667 05/18/20 06:03 PM
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There will be those who think paying a high price for spark plugs online will mean "they must be genuine".


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432668 05/18/20 06:05 PM
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Yup got them from Amazon. I had a nice little discussion with NGK. It turns out that a lot of fake plugs are being sold. I will be buying from NGK.com or sparkplugs.com if I don't get them locally. Can't take the chance.


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432688 05/18/20 06:29 PM
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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432693 05/18/20 06:33 PM
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Amkeer, please tell us how NGK confirmed your plugs were counterfeit.


In recent discussions here, it seems that members thought that Amazon was less reliable vs. Rock Auto for genuine plugs due to their respective business models. We recently discussed that Rock Auto uses the same supply warehouses that the big box auto stores (AA, Autozone,Oreilly, etc.). Yet, one member claimed he still got counterfeits from RA.

How do we know the suppliers that NAPA, Advanced, etc. uses supply genuine plugs any more than Rock Auto?


Edit: Mr. Nice, that Motorcraft video is scary. Almost impossible to discern the fake without having a genuine one to compare AND knowing what to look for.

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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: doitmyself] #5432696 05/18/20 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by doitmyself
How do we know the suppliers that NAPA, Advanced, etc. uses supply genuine plugs any more than Rock Auto?

Agreed. I fail to see how brick and mortar storefronts have different and more effective supply chain quality controls in place.

Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Ram02] #5432703 05/18/20 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ram02
I brought my NGK plugs from Rockauto I hope they wasn’t fake


I don't trust Rockauto to get anything right lately.

Ordered a brake set kit, got three front rotors. Ordered a windshield wiper motor, got a power steering pump. Something isn't right over there the last month or two.


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Imp4] #5432709 05/18/20 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by doitmyself
How do we know the suppliers that NAPA, Advanced, etc. uses supply genuine plugs any more than Rock Auto?

Agreed. I fail to see how brick and mortar storefronts have different and more effective supply chain quality controls in place.


FWIW our parts come direct from Ford and Mazda. There is no middleman except for our FADs (Ford Authorized Distributors) where certain Motorcraft parts come from. It would not be in their best interest to sell a counterfeit part as they would lose their ability to be a FAD.


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432722 05/18/20 07:04 PM
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Don't feel bad. I bought a set of genuine Toyota coils on Ebay for my 2001 Tundra.
Under $300 for 8 coils... Denso coils should be $60 minimum a piece...

One failed in a month. Seller is no longer on Ebay.


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: doitmyself] #5432747 05/18/20 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by doitmyself
Amkeer, please tell us how NGK confirmed your plugs were counterfeit.


In recent discussions here, it seems that members thought that Amazon was less reliable vs. Rock Auto for genuine plugs due to their respective business models. We recently discussed that Rock Auto uses the same supply warehouses that the big box auto stores (AA, Autozone,Oreilly, etc.). Yet, one member claimed he still got counterfeits from RA.

How do we know the suppliers that NAPA, Advanced, etc. uses supply genuine plugs any more than Rock Auto?


Edit: Mr. Nice, that Motorcraft video is scary. Almost impossible to discern the fake without having a genuine one to compare AND knowing what to look for.


You never will. I have dealt with this for decades overseas and inspecting facilities to certify them on large projects.

These companies have procurement departments that purchase sight unseen ( and most don't physically visit and certify the facility)- that's bad enough

Some countries (China, Korea, India, Pakistan and Taiwan that I know of) who make "legitimate" parts will also make bootleg components and sell them through fronts. ( often in the same facility or the one next door- all it takes is a few bills in the right hand and nobody knows anything)

They are also inserted at the freight forwarder and containers sawed open then welded and repainted leaving the seal intact ( one reason it takes a while to get through customs, LOL)

Then you have clone shops who buy, back engineer and then mass produce.

Depending on what it is, some are almost perfect copies except for individual serial or lot numbers. Others use lesser quality materials so they work but not as long.

All kinds of ways and even the most diligent of suppliers has them slip through from time to time

Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432785 05/18/20 07:59 PM
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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432806 05/18/20 08:25 PM
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I bought some NGK Ruthenium from Rock Auto last month and after reading about all the fakes I decided to call them. The guy said the info that supposedly came from NGK in a popular video is not correct as far as numbers on the plug are concerned, it would seem the guy that made the video is embellishing the facts to some extent.
He also said he couldn't tell me much more as if anyone could get that info with just a phone call or email they could and would address that in the fake, makes sense.

He did say Amazon, ebay and Rock are the places with the most complaints about fakes which surprised me a bit when he said Rock, I thought they were so big they would not risk selling fakes but apparently they have no control of the purchasing arrangements of their warehouses as has been mentioned in another thread here on Bitog.
NGK.com, Napa, AA where mentioned as a safe place to buy, their website list quite a few authorized dealers. I will buy from Napa from now on. BTW the NGK I got from Rock meet the criteria for genuine inc the packaging.

https://ngksparkplugs.com/en/about-us/where-to-buy


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Re: Check your spark plugs if you order them online [Re: Amkeer] #5432821 05/18/20 08:42 PM
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Yikes! GEBO, believer of everything OEM dealer purchased might get the last laugh and wish us a hearty "I told you so"!

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