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Car fire caused by oil filter? #5428675 05/13/20 11:02 PM
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I'm not sure how many of you are active on Youtube, but a well-known Youtuber (Adam LZ) posted a video about his Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, caught on fire on track due to the oil filter coming loose and spraying oil causing an engine fire. According to the video, this is a well-known issue with this car. So, I guess we should be talking about engine oil filter torque specs now. LINK TO VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzFz5xtF47o&t=1790s

EDIT: Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 NOT GT500.

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Originally Posted by TrainingPolicy
I'm not sure how many of you are active on Youtube, but a well-known Youtuber (Adam LZ) posted a video about his Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, caught on fire on track due to the oil filter coming loose and spraying oil causing an engine fire. According to the video, this is a well-known issue with this car. So, I guess we should be talking about engine oil filter torque specs now. LINK TO VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzFz5xtF47o&t=1790s


Guys on the Mustang boards with the GT350 had oil filters that would often loosen up - apparently related to engine vibrations of the flat plane crankshaft. The fix was to torque to spec (of course) and then lock wire the filter to prevent it from loosening. Ford changed the oil filter from a spin-on to a cartridge filter on the later model GT350s. Apparently the GT500 still has a spin-on.

Update - I see in the video it is a GT350 ... not a GT500.

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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by TrainingPolicy
I'm not sure how many of you are active on Youtube, but a well-known Youtuber (Adam LZ) posted a video about his Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, caught on fire on track due to the oil filter coming loose and spraying oil causing an engine fire. According to the video, this is a well-known issue with this car. So, I guess we should be talking about engine oil filter torque specs now. LINK TO VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzFz5xtF47o&t=1790s


Guys on the Mustang boards with the GT350 had oil filters that would often loosen up. the fix was to torque to spec (of course) and then lock wire the filter to prevent it from loosening. Ford changed the oil filter from a spin-on to a cartridge filter on the later model GT350s. Apparently the GT500 still has a spin-on.

Update - I see in the video it is a GT350 ... not a GT500.


Thanks for catching that, yup totally put GT500 instead of GT350.

Also towards the end of the video, he stated Ford offers a relocation kit for $500 to allow it to become a cartridge-style filter. I am super interested to see who did it, to see how it works.


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A few years ago there was a rash of fires from oil leaking from double-gasketed filters on Hondas.


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Originally Posted by TrainingPolicy


Also towards the end of the video, he stated Ford offers a relocation kit for $500 to allow it to become a cartridge-style filter. I am super interested to see who did it, to see how it works.


Typical Ford...they have a design defect and instead of them stepping up and fixing it at NC they charge the customer for their error, and $500 at that...

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A few years ago there was a rash of fires from oil leaking from double-gasketed filters on Hondas.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - At least 27 Honda CR-V sport/utility vehicles from the 2003 and 2004 model years burst into flames shortly after getting their first oil changes, according to newspaper reports Friday...There were about 140,000 CR-Vs sold in the United States in 2003 and Honda said 22 of them caught fire from the apparent oil filter problem, the Post reported. So far this year, five owners of 2004 CR-Vs have reported such fires to NHTSA, the newspaper said.

The problem is believed to happen one of two ways: The O-ring gasket on the old oil filter sometimes sticks to the crankcase, and if the new filter is installed over it, oil can leak around it. Or, if the gasket on the new filter isn't lubricated properly, it might set incorrectly and allow oil to leak around it. Then it can spray onto the hot manifold and burn.


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Honda S2000s also have this problem. Most likely due to the high RPMs, and during track use they can vibrate loose. It is best to use the OE filter and torque them to the correct spec with a torque wrench. They also have a few safety devices that can be purchased from a few different companies that uses a bracket and a clamp on the filter to prevent it from coming off.

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I torque filters to the max torque my 66 yr old hands can provide.


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Also towards the end of the video, he stated Ford offers a relocation kit for $500 to allow it to become a cartridge-style filter. I am super interested to see who did it, to see how it works.


Typical Ford...they have a design defect and instead of them stepping up and fixing it at NC they charge the customer for their error, and $500 at that...



Yup, how thoughtful of them. LOL crazy It's not like the GT350 is a huge volume seller.


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K&N filters which I so not like that much, have a nut on the bottom drilled already for safety wire.

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I guess I'm just confused about how one would safety wire a spin-on canister oil filter to not come off.


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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
I guess I'm just confused about how one would safety wire a spin-on canister oil filter to not come off.

Yeah, I am thinking the same thing. Does anyone have any photos or links to one of these?


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I guess I'm just confused about how one would safety wire a spin-on canister oil filter to not come off.

Yeah, I am thinking the same thing. Does anyone have any photos or links to one of these?


Even with something like the K&N which has a hole already on the filter nut, I'm assuming some sort of bracket would need to be made for the engine block.


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Was there a car in that video? grin


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Race guys would put a big hose clamp on the filter, tighten & then safety wire it to the nearest object-

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