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Optilube Users? #5428538 05/13/20 07:29 PM
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Any Optilube users out there?

Did the advent of HPCR and biodiesel negate their market?

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If you use oil that is API certified and it meets the OEM application recommendations then you just don't need this stuff.

Several OEM's specifically recommend against these types of additive products.

It has always puzzled me to think as to why people use these sorts of products.

Especially when there is clearly no direct causation or correlation to improved performance and clear examples of this type of stuff damaging engines.

To be clear, I'm not singling out OptiLube. I'm speaking to any additive engine treatment that is not recommended by the OEM.

Duralube, ZMax, Slick 50, OptiLube........ We could go on and on.......

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Originally Posted by Imp4
If you use oil that is API certified and it meets the OEM application recommendations then you just don't need this stuff.

Several OEM's specifically recommend against these types of additive products.

It has always puzzled me to think as to why people use these sorts of products.

Especially when there is clearly no direct causation or correlation to improved performance and clear examples of this type of stuff damaging engines.

To be clear, I'm not singling out OptiLube. I'm speaking to any additive engine treatment that is not recommended by the OEM.

Duralube, ZMax, Slick 50, OptiLube........ We could go on and on.......


And you're one of those that honestly think that a $20 jug of oil from any of the main oil companies is going to contain the absolute best additives and ingredients that will ensure the reliability and longevity of our engines... Yea ok, we all know they only have the consumers best interest in mind!


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Originally Posted by racin4ds
And you're one of those that honestly think that a $20 jug of oil from any of the main oil companies is going to contain the absolute best additives and ingredients that will ensure the reliability and longevity of our engines... Yea ok, we all know they only have the consumers best interest in mind!

But on the contrary, neither do I think that these goofy little additive companies have some secret formula that somehow guarantees improved performance when added to an existing fill.


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Originally Posted by kschachn
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And you're one of those that honestly think that a $20 jug of oil from any of the main oil companies is going to contain the absolute best additives and ingredients that will ensure the reliability and longevity of our engines... Yea ok, we all know they only have the consumers best interest in mind!

But on the contrary, neither do I think that these goofy little additive companies have some secret formula that somehow guarantees improved performance when added to an existing fill.


many do not, but there are a handful of companies that do work and work well with many proven and anecdotal results. I personally like LiquiMoly M0s2 and Ceratec, I also really like Lubeguard products and have seen them work in front of my own eyes. Sadly, companies over the years like Duralube and Lucas have ruined the additives market making many think they are snake oils.


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Re: Optilube Users? [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5428997 05/14/20 10:26 AM
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Ok, thanks for the posts, but can we not attack each other's opinions or source data, please? There's enough hostility going on these days, let's have some fun in here with expert engine people.

I'm no oil cult worshiper - I'm a trained scientist. Diesel Fuels do not appear to be regulated to the degree gasoline is. There is no "Top Tier" fuel definition for diesel fuel as there is for gasoline. I worked for Cummins - we tested the local available diesel fuels for our test cell work - some were under 40 cetane. Some were over EPA sulfur limits. The corporate parent had access to 45 cetane fuel and used it for their test work. We complained this was not representative of the national fuel supply but couldn't get them to back down to 40.

Some older engines benefit from higher cetane, at least, and some from additional cleaning agents. In addition, our regional fuel supply mandates soy-based biodiesel (big farm lobby). For those that don't consume fuel regularly, a biocide at least is needed. Here we are forced by state law to use B20 biodiesel in summer and B10 biodiesel in winter. You know the gel point of B10, right? The weather gets to -20F here in the winter.

I have a Yanmar tractor engine the "requires" 50 cetane minimum fuel. Why? Well, it's old-time IDI pump-line-nozzle fuel injection, naturally-aspirated. It's in a John Deere 1000 series compact tractor. There's thousands of these things in the US, and in boats, etc. The Japanese and Europe have easy access to 50 cetane diesel fuel. I do not.

Fuel quality is legit issue for many of us - please don't respond with whether you "believe" in additives or not. I asked for your experiences.

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Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
Ok, thanks for the posts, but can we not attack each other's opinions or source data, please? There's enough hostility going on these days, let's have some fun in here with expert engine people.

What source data are you referring to that's being attacked?


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Re: Optilube Users? [Re: kschachn] #5429455 05/14/20 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
Ok, thanks for the posts, but can we not attack each other's opinions or source data, please? There's enough hostility going on these days, let's have some fun in here with expert engine people.

What source data are you referring to that's being attacked?


"ou're one of those that honestly think that a $20 jug of oil from any of the main oil companies is going to contain the absolute best additives and ingredients that will ensure the reliability and longevity of our engines... Yea ok, we all know they only have the consumers best interest in mind!"

Pure speculation & ridicule - no experience-based facts, no data, just hostility.
I asked if there were any Optilube users and whether HPCR negated their market. Not if another member believes in it.

Re: Optilube Users? [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5430373 05/16/20 04:34 AM
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Never heard of it.

Won’t use it. Waste of money.


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I've used it for years in a series of diesel pickups ranging from the 7.3 NA to multiple 7.3 Powerstokes, an LBZ Duramqx and now a 6.7 Cummins. Don't know if it makes a real difference, but I've never had a fuel pump or injector failure grin I have used it based on the results of the study below:

https://www.jatonkam35s.com/DeuceTechnicalManuals/Diesel_fuel_additive_test.pdf

Re: Optilube Users? [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5433194 05/19/20 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
I'm no oil cult worshiper - I'm a trained scientist.

I meant to ask you this earlier, what are your degrees?


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BSME Mechanical Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Minor in metallurgy, Mobil Oil Lubrication Engineering Graduate

Re: Optilube Users? [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5440393 05/27/20 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
I'm no oil cult worshiper - I'm a trained scientist
Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
BSME Mechanical Engineering, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Minor in metallurgy, Mobil Oil Lubrication Engineering Graduate

So you had the title of scientist with a bachelor's degree? I've worked in corporate research departments, none use that title without at least a master's. I had the title of Research Technologist with my bachelor's in engineering.


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Stop the sniping and bickering, it helps no one and accomplishes nothing.

Re: Optilube Users? [Re: kschachn] #5444748 06/02/20 03:51 PM
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How many products did you design from scratch and field? Hundreds here. Get off your high horse, bub.

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