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Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 #5423671 05/07/20 08:50 PM
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SA is 1.03, just above the dexos limit of 1.0. Noack is 13.1%. Lot of moly and boron.

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Re: Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 [Re: buster] #5423702 05/07/20 09:37 PM
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Re: Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 [Re: buster] #5423719 05/07/20 10:24 PM
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I used to use Mazda oil from the dealer but I got tired of paying $8.60 a quart


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Re: Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 [Re: buster] #5423729 05/07/20 10:52 PM
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Lots of moly, boron and calcium indeed...........not so much TBN
Shame the "Mazda moly oil" is so expensive.

Re: Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 [Re: buster] #5423730 05/07/20 10:57 PM
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High Noack indicative of less than stellar base stocks?


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Re: Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 [Re: Strjock81] #5423733 05/07/20 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Strjock81
High Noack indicative of less than stellar base stocks?

No, the CCS is pretty low. You need to take the CCS and Noack simultaneously into consideration. Therefore, the base oil is likely Group III+ and/or GTL.

The additive package seems outdated with no magnesium and a weak TBN despite the high SA.

An MSDS shows that it is made by Total.


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Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by Strjock81
High Noack indicative of less than stellar base stocks?
No, the CCS is pretty low. You need to take the CCS and Noack simultaneously into consideration. Therefore, the base oil is likely Group III+ and/or GTL.

The additive package seems outdated with no magnesium and a weak TBN despite the high SA.

An MSDS shows that it is made by Total.

Note that the viscosity index VI = 219 is ultra high, meaning the base oil is very thin and the VII content is very high, typical of Japanese-OEM oils aimed at improving the fuel economy through a ultra-high VI by increasing the VII content, which could compromise the engine wear and engine deposits.

Therefore, the reason for the high Noack is the very thin base oil. The base oil is otherwise still Group III+ and/or GTL according to the CCS and Noack.

Interestingly the oxidation number, if correct, may indicate the presence of a small amount of a POE (polyol ester) base stock (3 - 4%). I saw the same thing with the TGMO 0W-20 -- it could be another Japanese-OEM thing not talked about.


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Has everything Mobil AFE is packing

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cheers

Definitely wouldn't be my first choice lol.


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Re: Interesting look at Mazda OE 0w20 SN/GF5 [Re: buster] #5423839 05/08/20 06:54 AM
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overpriced like most dealer products + poor oil according to specs!!

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Originally Posted by benjy
overpriced like most dealer products + poor oil according to specs!!

???


Really ?

Never found mid-high NOACK to be an issue in practice.

But maybe I don't practice enough ...


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It makes great lube for folding knife pivots! I used it for a short while, but have since switched to M1 EP 0W-20, High Mileage (I have 115,000 miles on the Mazda3).

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Originally Posted by DBMaster
It makes great lube for folding knife pivots!


What kind of OCI do you run on your knife pivots? Got any UOAs?


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Originally Posted by Strjock81
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It makes great lube for folding knife pivots!


What kind of OCI do you run on your knife pivots? Got any UOAs?




LOL. The OCI is based upon feel. Knives with ball bearing pivots are awesome. I keep a medical syringe with the Mazda oil in it. Hopefully, no one will ever get the bright idea of injecting himself with it.

For my car I now am stuck with a mere 15,000 mile OCI because microGreen went out of business. I was using their filters and running 30,000 miles between oil changes. LOL

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This is the oem mazda oil for Europe made by Total. Can tell by the packaging. Comes in 0w20 and 5w30.

The USA Mazda "moly" oil is made by Idemitsu - ZEPRO Eco Medalist Advanced Moly. On the amazon questions section Idemitsu confirms it's the Mazda factory fill, maybe Subaru also.


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