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API SP Oils #5423637 05/07/20 08:05 PM
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A week into API SP and Valvoline and Royal Purple are the only two companies advertising SP certified. Thoughts?


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I was perusing the Valvoline "Daily Protection" PDS and noticed that it was API SP rated. I thought SP was biased toward fuel economy and was quite surprised that Daily Protection's 5w-30 has a KV100 of 11.3, and HTHS of 3.3. That makes it among one of the thickest PCMO 30 weights out there, doesn't it? Looks like a great oil if one were looking at PDS in a vacuum. Curious if there is a VOA of this stuff anywhere.


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Originally Posted by 92saturnsl2
I was perusing the Valvoline "Daily Protection" PDS and noticed that it was API SP rated. I thought SP was biased toward fuel economy and was quite surprised that Daily Protection's 5w-30 has a KV100 of 11.3, and HTHS of 3.3. That makes it among one of the thickest PCMO 30 weights out there, doesn't it? Looks like a great oil if one were looking at PDS in a vacuum. Curious if there is a VOA of this stuff anywhere.


Mobil1 ESP 5w-30 KV100 11.8 HTHS 3.5

Mobil1 ESP 0w-30 KV100 12.0 HTHS Not given.

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Re: API SP Oils [Re: Mainia] #5424007 05/08/20 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Mainia
Mobil1 ESP 5w-30 KV100 11.8 HTHS 3.5

Mobil1 ESP 0w-30 KV100 12.0 HTHS Not given.



I don’t consider M1 ESP a PCMO since it’s a diesel rated oil (API SJ among others) which are on the thick end of the spectrum by design.


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Originally Posted by 92saturnsl2
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Mobil1 ESP 5w-30 KV100 11.8 HTHS 3.5

Mobil1 ESP 0w-30 KV100 12.0 HTHS Not given.



I don’t consider M1 ESP a PCMO since it’s a diesel rated oil (API SJ among others) which are on the thick end of the spectrum by design.


Is is car rated too, It was the Corvette/Camaro oil for years, till 0w-40 ESP became the new oil just to fill a void for "daily/track day" events.


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Originally Posted by Mainia
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Mobil1 ESP 5w-30 KV100 11.8 HTHS 3.5

Mobil1 ESP 0w-30 KV100 12.0 HTHS Not given.



I don’t consider M1 ESP a PCMO since it’s a diesel rated oil (API SJ among others) which are on the thick end of the spectrum by design.


Is is car rated too, It was the Corvette/Camaro oil for years, till 0w-40 ESP became the new oil just to fill a void for "daily/track day" events.


Wrong. M1 5w-30 ESP was never spec’d for the corvette. You’re confusing ESP with the regular M1 5w-30 which the corvette did spec.


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Re: API SP Oils [Re: 92saturnsl2] #5424091 05/08/20 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 92saturnsl2
I don’t consider M1 ESP a PCMO since it’s a diesel rated oil (API SJ among others) which are on the thick end of the spectrum by design.

It's API SN, SM, SL and SJ licensed, all four of which are current API licenses as well as ILSAC GF-5. I guess I'd call that a PCMO unless you're looking for a some other specific gasoline engine approval.


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Re: API SP Oils [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5424145 05/08/20 02:09 PM
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It has been a short time and the world is also in a covid state. Im not suprised......my local Wallymart oil shelf has lots of bare spots.


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Re: API SP Oils [Re: Mathew_Boss] #5424218 05/08/20 04:04 PM
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My mistake, I saw API SJ in the ESP literature and my mind immediately went to diesel spec, as in CJ-4 (not S).

Last time I bought ESP the bottle referenced low emission diesel technology, DPF and such in a way that I came away thinking it was developed for use in light duty diesel engines. I recognize it’s dual rated however, as are most diesel oils.

Not saying there aren’t thick 30 weight oils out there, there’s certainly plenty of European and diesel stuff available.

But I was surprised to see a modern (SP rated) PCMO that’s gotten thicker when the trend over the past 20+ years has been going the other direction. Correct me if I’m wrong but this oil carries none of the major European certs or diesel ratings.


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The 0w-40 ESP variant is recommended by GM for all performance V8s in the camaro/corvette. Just picked up some of the 5w30 variant and looking forward to trying it in my miata.


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Originally Posted by buddylpal
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Mobil1 ESP 5w-30 KV100 11.8 HTHS 3.5

Mobil1 ESP 0w-30 KV100 12.0 HTHS Not given.



I don’t consider M1 ESP a PCMO since it’s a diesel rated oil (API SJ among others) which are on the thick end of the spectrum by design.


Is is car rated too, It was the Corvette/Camaro oil for years, till 0w-40 ESP became the new oil just to fill a void for "daily/track day" events.


Wrong. M1 5w-30 ESP was never spec’d for the corvette. You’re confusing ESP with the regular M1 5w-30 which the corvette did spec.



I agree. M1 5w-30 has been the factory fill for all corvettes for years now until i believe in 2019 where the factory fill was 0w40 ESP. Because it can double duty daily and track purposes. I still use 5w30 in my corvette because i don't "track" the car.

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Originally Posted by Mainia
Originally Posted by 92saturnsl2
I was perusing the Valvoline "Daily Protection" PDS and noticed that it was API SP rated. I thought SP was biased toward fuel economy and was quite surprised that Daily Protection's 5w-30 has a KV100 of 11.3, and HTHS of 3.3. That makes it among one of the thickest PCMO 30 weights out there, doesn't it? Looks like a great oil if one were looking at PDS in a vacuum. Curious if there is a VOA of this stuff anywhere.


Mobil1 ESP 5w-30 KV100 11.8 HTHS 3.5

Mobil1 ESP 0w-30 KV100 12.0 HTHS Not given.

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Those are Euro specd. oils. Both HTHS is min. 3.5.
API is irrelevant in this case.


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