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Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l #5418691 05/01/20 07:52 PM
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Greetings,
Back when I lost access to BITOG 4 years ago, the general consensus for oil filter superiority was Fram Ultra Xtra Guard, having wound fiberglass media with 5 micron particulate capture and retained high flow rate. I've been using them ever since without issue and with complete confidence.

Fast forward to today - boy goes out and buys a used Ford SuperDuty F250 with the Navistar 6.0l PowerStroke diesel engine. These had HEUI fuel injectors, actuated by high pressure engine oil from the common oil pan. I would think cleanliness is of utmost importance to HEUI fuel systems. They were known for sticky injector pintles from degraded and / or oversaturated engine oil. As early as 50,000 miles. This is from research I did.

I searched BITOG for some history on oil filter types for this engine, but couldn't come up with anything. The engine was built from 2003 - 2008. Any reason you can think of not to use Fram Ultra Extra Guard synthetic oil filter?

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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5418752 05/01/20 09:00 PM
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If you don't use the OE FL-2016 just make sure that any filter you use makes use of the OE filter cap.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5418758 05/01/20 09:09 PM
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Are these filters rated for use on a field engine ? I would suggest fleetguard stratopore filters.

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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5418760 05/01/20 09:10 PM
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Btw, I use the fram ultra in my hemi.

Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5418956 05/02/20 08:40 AM
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Don't run the oil too long would be #1. As well as an at least a oem quality air filter and a sealed intake plumbing.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5418964 05/02/20 08:57 AM
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Thanks.
Just found out 6.0l PowerStroke has a cartridge filter, not spin-on can. Changes the game somewhat. Fram does not offer cartridge filter in 100% Ultra. They offer ToughGard blended element - fiberglass / cellulose,

Motorcraft FL-2016 cartridge oil filter is only 80% efficient @ >20 microns. A real rock-catcher, nothing special. Says nothing about media construction.
https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/filters/oil-filters/kit-element-gasket-oil-filter-6269615-1
Perhaps to reduce flow restriction? But if element is too coarse, it's not really doing anything but saving engine from a major internal chunking which is unlikely.

From Fram website for Motorcraft FL-2016 replacement TG9549:
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
- Designed for premium conventional and synthetic oil.
- Engineered with a new stronger, more durable media to provide an outstanding 99% dirt trapping efficiency.*
- Tough Guard adds microscopic synthetic fibers, creating small windows that trap the microscopic dirt particles without affecting the flow of oil.
*FRAM Group testing of average filter efficiency of PH8A, 3387A and 4967 or equivalent FRAM TG or XG models under ISO 4548-12 for particles greater than 20 microns.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5419273 05/02/20 03:47 PM
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^^^ Yeah, the TG is just a hair less efficient than the Ultra. TG is 99% >20u and XG is 99+% >20u. Not enough difference to worry about.

Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: ZeeOSix] #5420733 05/04/20 12:07 PM
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Got it, thanks. Couldn't find the Ultra, only TG or EG. Both claim they have glass fiber media blend.

Other blogs warn of quality issues with anti-drainback valves, as this is an inverted filter. Don't want to start this engine dry everytime. Maybe I should just source Motorcraft. I've seen commentary claiming MC is made by Parker Racor. Supposedly HEUI injectors are fed oil via a separate sump system?

Man, this engine is a real piece of work.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5420834 05/04/20 02:03 PM
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Yes here it is again. This test was on the same engine. If you want clean oil get a Frantz or there are others, like Amsoil. There isn't a lot to be argued against the test here. Plus it takes out water if the cellulose element is used.

https://www.frantzfilters.com/science/

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Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
Got it, thanks. Couldn't find the Ultra, only TG or EG. Both claim they have glass fiber media blend.

Other blogs warn of quality issues with anti-drainback valves, as this is an inverted filter. Don't want to start this engine dry everytime. Maybe I should just source Motorcraft. I've seen commentary claiming MC is made by Parker Racor. Supposedly HEUI injectors are fed oil via a separate sump system?

Man, this engine is a real piece of work.


Motorcraft filter is Racor.

Take a look a Baldwin, Donaldson, or Wix. They all make pretty stout diesel oil filters for a many Diesel engines. You’ll be doing 5k changes due to HEUI system might as well order several online at a time to save money. Amazon, EBay, Fleet Filter, Cross Filters, etc.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5421612 05/05/20 12:12 PM
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Boy found a mechanic that's worked on PowerStroke 6.0 over the years. He recommends WIX synthetic (wound fiberglass) oil filter with the custom cartridge cap that is supposed to be dimensionally accurate to seal the anti-drainback valve. It requires removing the OEM filter cartridge cap. I found that Navistar and/or Ford patented the oil filter cartridge design to try to corner the oil filter replacement market. Which is against the law, of course.

BITOG past year's post on this are all over the map on which aftermarket vendors did a good job replicating the assembly with a different length filter to get around the patent protection. Don't know if WiX is a good one, but apparently this mechanic has had good luck with them. I had already bought a Motorcraft for him though.

I can't believe they got away with patenting an oil filter design with no sigificant benefit. This engine is a hot mess.


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Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
I can't believe they got away with patenting an oil filter design with no significant benefit.

Well a patent has never been something that proves efficacy or benefit, either significant or less than significant. A patent demonstrates novelty and nothing more. When I worked in a corporate research facility I saw at least one patent awarded for a device that was novel but did absolutely nothing worthwhile. There are many patents for completely useless inventions.

That's why when a vendor or seller of some product touts a patent I almost always start to tune out. It sounds impressive to the average Joe perhaps but it doesn't mean a thing in regards to whether it does what it's claimed to do or not. Kind of like saying it was "tested by the U.S. military" or "used on the Space Shuttle", all of which may be true but doesn't mean it is appropriate for another application or even all that effective.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5422258 05/06/20 04:56 AM
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I’m not a fan of synthetic cartridge filters. We see more if not all the issues with Fram XG filters from European cars, but after seeing how they fail, no thanks. The media separates from the plastic resin end caps. I must confess I haven’t seen any lately, but who knows. I have no interest in trying them in anything I service with a cartridge.

It’d be OE for me on this application for sure.

If these are known for tearing up oil, I’d do a 5k OCI then do a used oil analysis and go from there. I believe the factory interval is 7.5, but if there’s issues it may be too much. Not sure if synthetic would help with these or not. Certainly wouldn’t hurt, but it’s like 4 gallons of oil too. Also not sure if coking is an issue either?

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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: dlundblad] #5422879 05/06/20 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dlundblad
I’m not a fan of synthetic cartridge filters. We see more if not all the issues with Fram XG filters from European cars, but after seeing how they fail, no thanks. The media separates from the plastic resin end caps. I must confess I haven’t seen any lately, but who knows. I have no interest in trying them in anything I service with a cartridge.

It’d be OE for me on this application for sure.

If these are known for tearing up oil, I’d do a 5k OCI then do a used oil analysis and go from there. I believe the factory interval is 7.5, but if there’s issues it may be too much. Not sure if synthetic would help with these or not. Certainly wouldn’t hurt, but it’s like 4 gallons of oil too. Also not sure if coking is an issue either?


Factory OCI recommendation is 5k severe service, 7.5k normal service. Their definition of severe service includes biodiesel use, which is mandatory up here in farm country.

Since I've been away 4 years, what's happened with Fram XG? It was the hands down consensus best filter back in 2015. Cummins even mandated Fleetguard Synthetic filters for some applications.


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Re: Fram UG XG in Navistar PowerStroke 6.0l [Re: LubricatusObsess] #5423152 05/07/20 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LubricatusObsess
Since I've been away 4 years, what's happened with Fram XG? It was the hands down consensus best filter back in 2015.


Pretty much still is.

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