Recent Topics
Fram oil filters at Advance Auto
by Electromotive - 05/31/20 08:02 PM
The Last Coat 2?
by tbm5690 - 05/31/20 07:33 PM
Can a car have too much battery?
by wings&wheels - 05/31/20 07:13 PM
Oil Extractor Pump Problem
by tc1446 - 05/31/20 07:11 PM
Tacoma fuel filter cut open
by funflyer - 05/31/20 06:53 PM
Electronic Octane Testers on eBay
by smonska - 05/31/20 05:35 PM
0W-8 is here: JASO GLV-1
by Gokhan - 05/31/20 05:26 PM
2010 Corolla What oil ??
by GMguy84 - 05/31/20 05:19 PM
Knock While Cruising, None While In Boost
by gathermewool - 05/31/20 04:11 PM
Replaced Golf Sportwagen with an Alltrack
by dareo - 05/31/20 03:27 PM
TW Ceramic Spray First Time
by Toros - 05/31/20 02:49 PM
The perfect tractor oil
by Chris142 - 05/31/20 02:42 PM
5.7 HEMI Lifter/cam failure cause
by Skippy722 - 05/31/20 02:38 PM
Battery 2013 4Runner 4WD
by Gebo - 05/31/20 02:29 PM
Supermarket Heroes 500 at Bristol
by bdcardinal - 05/31/20 01:55 PM
More M1 changes
by Flashlightboy - 05/31/20 01:49 PM
Car Reviewers
by borgward - 05/31/20 01:43 PM
Final charge global extender
by mker - 05/31/20 01:15 PM
Rotella Multivehicle 5W-30
by js1956 - 05/31/20 10:54 AM
Newest Members
Haywood, ToOliwer, AbbeyRoad, RPF, Rayi
71586 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
93 registered members (55hambone, Alain2, andyd, 97prizm, Astro_Guy, Alfred_B, 7 invisible), 2,209 guests, and 21 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics306,107
Posts5,286,540
Members71,586
Most Online4,538
Jan 20th, 2020
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Help me talk him out of it... #5418032 05/01/20 08:40 AM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,357
B
bullwinkle Online Confused OP
OP Online Confused
B
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,357
My son wants to get rid of his old XJ (in my sig) & replace it with a 2013 Challenger (not Hemi, 3.6 Pentastar) with 113K. Looking online, electrical problems like the TIPM, junky alternators, and wonky power window switches & smart window modules seem common. I told him he was going from one of the most reliable modern(-ish) vehicles Chrysler ever built (via AMC) to a risky plasticky fake muscle car, although a Hemi one would be even riskier. Help!


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7 (MC), 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2), 11 Express 3500 6.0 (Fram PH10060 for now)
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418034 05/01/20 08:45 AM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,607
R
racin4ds Offline
Offline
R
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,607
He'll regret that one very soon. Pentastar 3.6 was garbage as is the car around it. He'll be able to buy another jeep with the repair bills...


Just say NO to thin oils and M1!
05 F350 Powerstroke
05 Hyundai Tucson
'13 Passat TDi SE+Nav
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418040 05/01/20 08:54 AM
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,035
B
BMWTurboDzl Offline
Offline
B
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,035
Can he afford it as in afford to buy then unload vehicle at a loss and buy another vehicle? Has he driven one? Does he like to work on cars in general? Does he have experience driving a RWD vehicle in the snow/ice?

If the answer to all these question are YES then I say let him do his thing.


Granted he's driving around in a 20+ yr old vehicle now.

Last edited by BMWTurboDzl; 05/01/20 08:54 AM.

“It took untold generations to get you where you are. A little gratitude might be in order. If you’re going to insist on bending the world to your way, you better have your reasons.”

435i
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418042 05/01/20 08:58 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,790
D
d00df00d Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 11,790
Don't forget the Challenger will be a LOT safer in literally every way. Active and passive safety, braking, handling, rollover risk, all kinds of collisions, the whole thing.

I'm not saying it'd be worth the trade. That's a personal decision. Just saying it's not like he'd be getting nothing for his money.


2008 BMW M3 Sedan 6MT
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418048 05/01/20 09:04 AM
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 15,247
C
CT8 Offline
Offline
C
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 15,247
The I told you so son is always a fun thing.


2015 F150 2.7
2018 F350 6.2
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: racin4ds] #5418057 05/01/20 09:10 AM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 4,167
D
dwcopple Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 4,167
Originally Posted by racin4ds
Pentastar 3.6 was garbage

not even remotely true. It's a monster engine that makes 280+ hp and is really really reliable. Heck, they've used it for a decade now and still put it in RAMs and other vehicles. It's a winner.


2017 Acura MDX SH-AWD
2011 Chrysler 200 Limited 3.6L V6
1998 Mustang GT 4.6L V8 convertible
2019 VW Jetta SEL 1.4T
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418058 05/01/20 09:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,463
D
doitmyself Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,463
We no nothing about your son and your relationship, finances, etc.. A teenager under your wing or a young adult on his own? Are you enabling this transaction in such a way that your son will experience no consequences if the Challenger option back fires?

If you are enabling the trade, then its all on you. I.E., if you are footing his college education then you control the reins. If your son is on his own, all you can do is point out the possible pitfalls and let him make his own way. Making mistakes is one way of learning. As much as I loved my dad, I have zero regrets not listening to him regarding my career and lifestyle choice.

Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418073 05/01/20 09:27 AM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,448
K
krismoriah72 Offline
Offline
K
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,448
Looks like its time for a father/son muscle car project.

Go in together and buy a classic musclecar. Not a wannabe.

Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: racin4ds] #5418076 05/01/20 09:33 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,732
sloinker Offline
Offline
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,732
Originally Posted by racin4ds
He'll regret that one very soon. Pentastar 3.6 was garbage as is the car around it. He'll be able to buy another jeep with the repair bills...


Wrong, where do you weasels come from?

Tell him to keep the XJ as the other vehicle has low and declining value and the XJ will always retain some value. Nothing wrong with the Pentastar but any car with over 100k on the clock will be a gamble. Any car.

Last edited by sloinker; 05/01/20 09:37 AM.

'16 Tiguan TSI Vaico 5W40
'15 VW Golf TDI Red Line 5W30 Euro
'15 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI M1 ESP 5W30
'14 Dodge Grand Caravan 3.6 Valvoline 5W20 Semi Synthetic
'64 Plymouth Fury440 Pending
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418077 05/01/20 09:33 AM
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 13,415
PimTac Offline
Offline
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 13,415
How old is he? If he is old enough to make these decisions then let him make them. It will be a learning experience for him one way or the other and for you as well.


2017 Mazda CX5
Mobil 1 Annual Protection 0w20
Roki OEM filter.
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418079 05/01/20 09:34 AM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,770
W
Ws6 Offline
Offline
W
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,770
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
My son wants to get rid of his old XJ (in my sig) & replace it with a 2013 Challenger (not Hemi, 3.6 Pentastar) with 113K. Looking online, electrical problems like the TIPM, junky alternators, and wonky power window switches & smart window modules seem common. I told him he was going from one of the most reliable modern(-ish) vehicles Chrysler ever built (via AMC) to a risky plasticky fake muscle car, although a Hemi one would be even riskier. Help!

Everyone deserves to learn for themselves. Let him do it, so long as he isn't asking you to co-sign it.

Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: dwcopple] #5418080 05/01/20 09:35 AM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,547
2015_PSD Offline
Offline
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 8,547
Originally Posted by dwcopple
Originally Posted by racin4ds
Pentastar 3.6 was garbage

not even remotely true. It's a monster engine that makes 280+ hp and is really really reliable. Heck, they've used it for a decade now and still put it in RAMs and other vehicles. It's a winner.

Agreed; outside of oil cooler issues due to the plastic cracking where the oil filter housing attaches to the aluminum body of the cooler and some issues with early model heads (which have been mitigated and warranties extended to cover it), it is one of FCA's best engines. OP - I would not hesitate to buy a vehicle with the 3.6L engine.

https://www.motorreviewer.com/engine.php?engine_id=167
The left side cylinder head problem had been found in about 0.5% percent of 2011-13 vehicles with 3.6-liter V-6 Pentastar engines. Engines with cylinder head failure can be easily recognized by a ticking sound from the left side. Sometimes of them had other symptoms, including a check engine light illuminated. The failure was caused by excessive wear. In August 2012, Chrysler made the design upgrade and the problem is rarely reported now. All vehicles with 2011-13 model year 3.6L Pentastar engines have extended engine warranty on the left side cylinder head to 10 years or 150,000 miles.

Some owners complain of problems with clogged up radiators and frequent replacement of water pumps, thermostats, and oil pumps. The problem may lie in the production and preparation of an individual engine before assembly. The heads are sand-cast and undergo serious inspections for cleanliness before reaching assembly plants. But any residual sand that remains from the casting process inside the engine can also circulate through the vehicle's cooling systems, causing clogs in radiator and oil cooling system.

In general, the engine has been around for a long time and used in a lot of vehicles, so it has been well tested. Despite that they had some issues early on, the 3.6L V6 Pentastar is a great engine, one of the most reliable engines available on the market right now.


2019 o)|||||(o Rubicon Wrangler Unlimited 3.6L V6 [Castrol Edge + Ultra]
2018 Mercedes Benz C300 2.0L Turbo [Pennzoil Platinum + Mann filter]
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: dwcopple] #5418081 05/01/20 09:35 AM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,770
W
Ws6 Offline
Offline
W
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,770
Originally Posted by dwcopple
Originally Posted by racin4ds
Pentastar 3.6 was garbage

not even remotely true. It's a monster engine that makes 280+ hp and is really really reliable. Heck, they've used it for a decade now and still put it in RAMs and other vehicles. It's a winner.

It's also in a monster of a car that weighs something on the order of 2 tonnes. It is adequate for daily use and a bit of light fun, nothing more. It is reliable, though, from all I've read.

Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418113 05/01/20 10:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,179
Z
Zaedock Offline
Offline
Z
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,179
You're son will figure it out one way or another.


So, how much for the XJ?


2019 Escape EB AWD/2016 KIA Optima SXL 2.0L Turbo/2012 F150 Ex-cab 5.0L
1992 YJ "The Heep"/2015 Chrysler 200 Limited
1975 Ford Bronco/1959 Willys CJ5/Tube Rock crawler
Re: Help me talk him out of it... [Re: bullwinkle] #5418120 05/01/20 10:27 AM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,701
C
caprice_2nv Offline
Offline
C
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,701
They are a good engine. As posted above they had some issues early on, the garage I worked at saw a couple of them and immediately thought they were junk because of it, but time has proven they are pretty good.

The rest of the car I wouldn't want though, typically front ends fall apart on most Chrysler products. Quality control is an issue but it doesn't mean they are all bad. Maybe it will turn out okay. The Caravan still seems to be a really solid vehicle with the same engine.


84 Olds Cutlass - 350 Olds
83 Chevy Caprice - 305 Sbc
05 Silverado 1500 4wd - 4.8/4L60E
79 Honda CX500
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™