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SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , #5415642 04/28/20 02:09 PM
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https://www.toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/ . Meanwhile SUNOCO site states it's a Top Tier , https://www.sunoco.com/quality-fuels . Noticed this when I looked to see if SPEEDWAY was added since it's affiliated with MARATHON . It's not smirk .

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Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: odie] #5415658 04/28/20 02:25 PM
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Sounds like Sunoco is not drinking the koolaid! smile

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: odie] #5415676 04/28/20 02:51 PM
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Hmm, the Sunoco I use fairly often has the top tier stickers on all the pumps and official Sunoco signage touting the cleaning ability of the fuel. Is it possible the list hasn't been updated since Sunoco became top tier?


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Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: odie] #5415679 04/28/20 02:55 PM
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They've never been on the list. I always found it ironic that they supply racing fuel but are not TT.

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: SubyRoo] #5415680 04/28/20 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SubyRoo
Hmm, the Sunoco I use fairly often has the top tier stickers on all the pumps and official Sunoco signage touting the cleaning ability of the fuel. Is it possible the list hasn't been updated since Sunoco became top tier?

Their press releases about going Top Tier are from 2017. I checked the earliest version (Nov 1, 2018) of that page on the Web Archive, and Sunoco is listed.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181101175457/https://www.toptiergas.com/licensed-brands/

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: odie] #5415684 04/28/20 02:59 PM
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or didn't want to pay to have their fuel certified......


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Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: odie] #5415761 04/28/20 04:09 PM
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or learned that TT$ brought in no business......

Plus, I remember reading not too long ago that Sunoco was getting out of the retail business. Yes, yes, it blew my mind too.

Then a few Sunoco stations turned into something else BUT a few Sunoco stations were revamped near me and one off-brand station was converted TO a Sunoco.



Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: loneryder] #5415787 04/28/20 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by loneryder
They've never been on the list. I always found it ironic that they supply racing fuel but are not TT.


They were on the list at one time...

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: odie] #5415811 04/28/20 05:05 PM
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Oh good catch! Before it WAS Top Tier when I checked in 2019. Thanks for the heads up.

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: Kira] #5415816 04/28/20 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kira
or learned that TT$ brought in no business......

Plus, I remember reading not too long ago that Sunoco was getting out of the retail business. Yes, yes, it blew my mind too.

Then a few Sunoco stations turned into something else BUT a few Sunoco stations were revamped near me and one off-brand station was converted TO a Sunoco.



Technically they're out of the refining business.

https://www.reuters.com/article/sun...pipeline-retail-ops-idUSL3E7K62220110906

There are three big portions of the oil business - exploration, refining, and retail. I think we have this idea (which used to be the norm) that these are vertically integrated businesses that did all three, even though there might be franchises. But that's slowly going away and has been that was for a while.

There's been a ton of separation. ConocoPhillips is now only in oil exploration while Phillips 66 is refining and retail. Shell has been selling off a ton of its refineries, including the Martinez refinery that was its first in the US. They maintain fuel terminals in California but don't refine any oil in the state. Valero the exploration and refining company is now separate from Valero the retail brand.

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: loneryder] #5415823 04/28/20 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by loneryder
They've never been on the list. I always found it ironic that they supply racing fuel but are not TT.

I don't think there's really that much that TT would do for specialty racing fuel. The detergent properties aren't all that critical when an engine only needs to last every other race. They claim they use the same levels in their fuel as in the fuel that NASCAR gets, but who knows what benefit that would be.

The stuff that NASCAR uses now is Sunoco Green E15, and I see notices that it's not for street vehicles.

Re: SUNOCO missing from TOP TIER list , [Re: y_p_w] #5415838 04/28/20 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by y_p_w
There are three big portions of the oil business - exploration, refining, and retail. I think we have this idea (which used to be the norm) that these are vertically integrated businesses that did all three, even though there might be franchises. But that's slowly going away and has been that was for a while.
So your terminology is a little wonky.
In the industry, the terms are Upstream, Midstream, and Downstream.
Here's a decent video that explains the differences.



And here's a pretty neat follow on for how gasoline gets from the pipeline to your car.

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