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2010 Camry camber question #5411140 04/23/20 11:01 AM
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So my student driver took all 4 wheels of the 2010 Camry V6 LE over a curb in a panic moment avoiding another vehicle. After replacing a right front pinch flat tire and dented rim, and getting all the wheels checked out and RF balanced, I took it back to Firestone to use my lifetime alignment policy.

They were unable to get Left Side Camber within specs, and thus recommended new Front Struts.

But looking at the alignment, it started out in spec, and ended up out of spec. I realize adjusting one thing may affect the other, but I wanted to get some expert opinions before dropping time & money on a new set of struts. Seems to me if it started out in spec, they should have been able to keep it there, as all other adjustments were quite small.

The car has only 70.8K mlies, but it is 10 years old. The car does not appear to be riding low and rides and handles just fine. I am also aware there are Camber Kits. I've replaced front struts before, and I'm not afraid to do it again, but I want to know the absolute need, and other options first.

I'll attach a picture of the before & after. If it's not readable, I'll be happy to type in the specs.

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Re: 2010 Camry camber question [Re: HangFire] #5411144 04/23/20 11:07 AM
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It's Firestone. They upsell anything they can. They can get that aligned if they want too.

I have seen so many Firestone "recommendations" from customers that I have absolutely no faith in their integrity and quality of work. The lifetime alignment is one of their biggest scams. You come in and they "find things" you must do so they "can align it". Makes the lifetime alignment "deal" not such a deal anyway!

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Originally Posted by GMBoy
It's Firestone. They upsell anything they can. They can get that aligned if they want too.

I have seen so many Firestone "recommendations" from customers that I have absolutely no faith in their integrity and quality of work. The lifetime alignment is one of their biggest scams. You come in and they "find things" you must do so they "can align it". Makes the lifetime alignment "deal" not such a deal anyway!


This, all of this. I'll take the bus before ever paying Firestone a penny ever again after my multiple experiences.


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Re: 2010 Camry camber question [Re: HangFire] #5411211 04/23/20 12:45 PM
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Perhaps there is something wrong, loose or worn out that is causing the left front to go out of specs. Maybe the strut is bad, but they should have found that before attempting any kind of alignment.

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Get a second opinion. Don't trust chain stores like Firestone.


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Re: 2010 Camry camber question [Re: Chris Meutsch] #5411270 04/23/20 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meutsch
Originally Posted by GMBoy
It's Firestone. They upsell anything they can. They can get that aligned if they want too.

I have seen so many Firestone "recommendations" from customers that I have absolutely no faith in their integrity and quality of work. The lifetime alignment is one of their biggest scams. You come in and they "find things" you must do so they "can align it". Makes the lifetime alignment "deal" not such a deal anyway!


This, all of this. I'll take the bus before ever paying Firestone a penny ever again after my multiple experiences.

You got that right Chris. I wouldn't let Firestone work on my wheelbarrow.

Re: 2010 Camry camber question [Re: HangFire] #5411292 04/23/20 02:06 PM
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Guess those lifetime alignments aren't free after all.

Re: 2010 Camry camber question [Re: HangFire] #5411310 04/23/20 02:28 PM
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So when did struts had to do with camber? Doesnt struts affect caster?

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Originally Posted by painfx
So when did struts had to do with camber? Doesnt struts affect caster?

Bent struts can affect camber.

So, after reading the opinions here, I did 10 minutes worth of research, and then called up the service advisor. Basically, all I need to do is swap out the 1.75 degree eccentric bolt on the strut with a 2.5 degree, and bring it back for a follow-up alignment.

The advisor stated that Firestone cannot/will not do the swap for me because it's not strictly an OEM part, and that's all they use. (This is very debatable as Toyota sells these bolts, but whatever.) But they'll happily honor the lifetime alignment policy if I bring the car back so equipped.

I'm also well aware of the reason for the existence of these lifetime alignments, which are not free. Let's just say I've gotten more than my money's worth out of them before, and I'm about to do so again.

Thank you everyone for playing.


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Re: 2010 Camry camber question [Re: HangFire] #5411318 04/23/20 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HangFire
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So when did struts had to do with camber? Doesnt struts affect caster?

Bent struts can affect camber.

So, after reading the opinions here, I did 10 minutes worth of research, and then called up the service advisor. Basically, all I need to do is swap out the 1.75 degree eccentric bolt on the strut with a 2.5 degree, and bring it back for a follow-up alignment.

The advisor stated that Firestone cannot/will not do the swap for me because it's not strictly an OEM part, and that's all they use. (This is very debatable as Toyota sells these bolts, but whatever.) But they'll happily honor the lifetime alignment policy if I bring the car back so equipped.

I'm also well aware of the reason for the existence of these lifetime alignments, which are not free. Let's just say I've gotten more than my money's worth out of them before, and I'm about to do so again.

Thank you everyone for playing.


I HIGHLY doubt your strut is bent...

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Originally Posted by painfx
I HIGHLY doubt your strut is bent...

Me, too.


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Camber and caster aren't adjustable in most Toyotas.

Something is bent/damaged. Control arms and tie rods would be the first things I'd look at. The CV axle could've been bent, too. The lowest suspension components under the car. A lower chance it would be something on the hub or knuckle

Any impact that could bend a strut would likely make it leak, too, since the piston would mis-strike, so the oil and pressurized gas would leak out of it, and the ride/handling deterioration would be noticeable. I don't think your struts are bent.

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Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Camber and caster aren't adjustable in most Toyotas.

Camber is very much adjustable on this gen Camry, and the previous gen (didn't look back any further than that.) I just ordered the 2.5 degree bolt kit from RA, it replaces the existing eccentric.
Originally Posted by slacktide_bitog
Something is bent/damaged.

Possibly... we'll see.


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The only things that will affect camber are the strut, steering knuckle and control arm on that type of suspension. The tie rods and axles will not cause a camber problem.


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Since your front caster or camber are not adjustable, the reason for the different readings should be understood. Adjusting toe really can't change camber much at all. You'd need 10 or 15 degrees of turning motion to get significant camber change.

If, for example the rim is bent and the wheel/tire is now in a different position on the second reading, the camber would read differently. Easy enough to check for a bent rim. A bent lower control arm or strut would likely give repeatable results.

I'm not a fan of many alignment shops. All that fancy equipment may not give more accurate or more valid information than simple mechanical measurement. You could, for example use one of those "level" programs on your phone and simply place the phone on the rim itself to check real world camber.

Also keep in mind that for each inch of suspension travel in bump for example (compression) there is an specific negative camber change. Alignment with and without a driver in the drivers seat will be markedly different.


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