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Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: vavavroom] #5394607 04/05/20 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vavavroom
All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.

So use Tor.

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Originally Posted by uc50ic4more
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All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.

So use Tor.


The topic was VPN's. Tor is not a VPN.

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Im happy with this service. Have a lifetime plan I bought some years ago.
Any VPN you will get a reduction in speed but I still get around 50Mbps down which is good for almost anything on the web. https://vpnsecure.me


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Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: OVERKILL] #5395230 04/06/20 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
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I just don't want people tracking me and I still wanna watch Netflix and Amazon and YouTube.


All three of those companies will still track what you are watching, regardless of a presence of a VPN. They aren't concerned with the IP address associated with the traffic.


Its your internet service provider that sells ads and your private information. When you use a VPN they cant.


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Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: vavavroom] #5395308 04/06/20 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by vavavroom
All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.


That does absolutely nothing to obscure the ID of the device streaming the content.


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I went with TunnelBear; it received good reviews and it’s easy for the less technically oriented members of my family to use.


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Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: vavavroom] #5395351 04/06/20 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by vavavroom
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All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.

So use Tor.


The topic was VPN's. Tor is not a VPN.

I believe Tor would accomplish your implied objective of daisy-chaining VPN's together.

Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: alarmguy] #5395360 04/06/20 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by alarmguy
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Originally Posted by Gebo

I just don't want people tracking me and I still wanna watch Netflix and Amazon and YouTube.


All three of those companies will still track what you are watching, regardless of a presence of a VPN. They aren't concerned with the IP address associated with the traffic.


Its your internet service provider that sells ads and your private information. When you use a VPN they cant.



That's a pretty gross generalization which many providers, to whom customers are paying money, would likely take exception to. This would be HIGHLY ISP-specific, something which you've completely failed to capture in your claim. If they are using your DNS queries to create a profile, just switching to something like Cisco's OpenDNS will eliminate the issue. They (your average ISP) don't have the resources to packet-sniff everybody's unencrypted traffic, so odds are this is the method employed IF they are indeed conspiring to, as you posit, monetize your activities. On the other hand, if you think Amazon, Netflix, Google...etc aren't capturing similar information using your device ID, account ID...etc then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Privacy on the internet, when you are using any sort of service, is an illusion. If you are signed up for anything, you have an identifier from which a profile can be constructed, thinking that you are somehow outwitting that process by changing the egress point of your traffic is breathtakingly naive.

There are so many potential situations where security is willingly sacrificed due to convenience or cost. Huawei equipment comes to mind. Using anything from a Chinese company and thinking the CCP don't have their fingers in it? Ha! This goes for your much lauded TP-Link hardware as well. Concern regarding this of course assumes you have information worth collecting.

Taking a stand against your ISP while trusting your security to Chinese hardware/software, and not just made in China, TP-Link is a wholly owned Chinese entity, much like Huawei, seems a whole lot like cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's my professional opinion on the matter.

I recall this not being the first time you've made the above unqualified and poorly presented claim, and thus I expect it won't be the last. It doesn't bother me that you don't trust your ISP, but replying to a comment that points out the folly of believing you are creating anonymity on a subscription service using a VPN by claiming the bigger threat is your ISP misses the mark by a country mile and seems to betray a misunderstanding of the fact that ISP's are not all the same.


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Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: OVERKILL] #5395567 04/06/20 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
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All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.


That does absolutely nothing to obscure the ID of the device streaming the content.


All you can do is add more encryption.

Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: vavavroom] #5395633 04/06/20 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by vavavroom
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Originally Posted by vavavroom
All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.


That does absolutely nothing to obscure the ID of the device streaming the content.


All you can do is add more encryption.


Still won't help, you are authenticating with something that has a device ID associated with it and against an account (Netflix, Amazon Video...etc) even Youtube, barring running it in an entirely sandboxed browser with cookies blocked, is going to track that experience. It's not about the path getting there, it's the service and what you are access it with; the provider and your endpoint, those are the issue.

VPN's provide a "feel good" experience; they instil a false sense of anonymity for folks that aren't using a hardened endpoint and are typically accessing a subscription service, which has their personal information anyways and all data between those two is encrypted in the first place. If you are using Netflix over a VPN, you might be spoofing your location, that's about it. If that's the end game, awesome! But they still know what you are watching, who you are...etc. Same thing with Amazon. If all you are doing is watching vids on Youtube, that can be locked down pretty well, but that's not the impression I'm getting from this thread.


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Overkill, OP asked "Which VPN do you Recommend?" I didn't recommend one because anybody can research VPN's. I do however believe that for Tom, Dick, and Harry, daisy-chaining VPN's, to be more specific, two of them, makes sense as it offers some security benefits over using one VPN. Does it make a real difference? It depends on who's snooping. And your VPN is only as good as it is in not keeping logs, and they all keep some logs. If you can answer the OP's question in regard to the best choice of VPN, I'm all ears. OP never said what his intended use was.

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Originally Posted by vavavroom
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All I will tell you is that you should daisy-chain several VPN's with servers located in different regions.


That does absolutely nothing to obscure the ID of the device streaming the content.


All you can do is add more encryption.


Further to this:

I could spin up an OpenBSD install on a laptop, go down to the local Starbucks and Tor my way into a pretty anonymous Youtube video watching experience, but the moment I sign into a Netflix account, they know who I am. Doesn't matter where it shows me to be, same with Amazon Video or any other pay-for streaming service.

IF all your video watching consists of torrents and/or anonymous pirate streams using an Android box and you never use a subscription service, a reasonable level of anonymity can be achieved using a VPN, but my impression is that folks think that they become Jack Reacher, man of mystery, when they add a VPN to their everyday activities, which is like putting on a Ghillie suit and then driving your truck to the mall thinking nobody can see you or know who you are.


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Re: What VPN do you Recommend? [Re: vavavroom] #5395649 04/06/20 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vavavroom
Overkill, OP asked "Which VPN do you Recommend?" I didn't recommend one because anybody can research VPN's. I do however believe that for Tom, Dick, and Harry, daisy-chaining VPN's, to be more specific, two of them, makes sense as it offers some security benefits over using one VPN. Does it make a real difference? It depends on who's snooping. And your VPN is only as good as it is in not keeping logs, and they all keep some logs. If you can answer the OP's question in regard to the best choice of VPN, I'm all ears. OP never said what his intended use was.



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Originally Posted by Gebo
I just don't want people tracking me and I still wanna watch Netflix and Amazon and YouTube.


That's not going to be achieved using a VPN. Doesn't matter if you are running 30 of them on top of each other and cripple your traffic speed to 56K dial-up, it's not the transit that's the problem, it is the endpoint and service, neither of which are improved by the addition of a VPN with respect to the streaming services in question. Netflix, Amazon and YouTube traffic is already encrypted, further encrypting encrypted traffic isn't offering a security benefit.


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Overkill, you make lots of assumptions regarding the intended use of a VPN by the OP. You'll need to take this up with him so that you can offer him more tailored advice, something I am not willing to do in the first place.

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Originally Posted by vavavroom
Overkill, you make lots of assumptions regarding the intended use of a VPN by the OP. You'll need to take this up with him so that you can offer him more tailored advice, something I am not willing to do in the first place.


I'm not making assumptions, see the quote from the OP in the post above yours.


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