I drove a Delta pilot to the airport today

Originally Posted by CincyDavid
I was on Allegiant's website the other day...need to get to my house in FL to let the alarm guy in to set up the cameras, etc. The flight from CVG-PDG had EVERY seat available, and this was only 7 days prior to the flight. Astounding.

Have you considered driving vs flying ? I certainly would if it were me. Otherwise, I'd move to a seat farther from everyone else and wear a mask.
 
Originally Posted by WagonWheel
I can't remember the last time I read an article about the MAX-8/9 return to service plan.

Boeing just laid off my brother.
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Our plant is below one of the major takeoff flight paths for MSP and it's been really strange not hearing planes flying overhead on a regular basis. Almost post 9/11 quiet.
 
Originally Posted by bbhero
We are all going to fail before too long.. .


The commercial passenger industry is finished as we know it. The cargo sector will stay working OK for now.

I would bet that all except a few passenger airlines without massive gov't funding will fold in the next year around the world.
 
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Anyone know why the airlines seem to run on the ragged edge of collapse? I mean, after a 11-year bull market these companies should be able to withstand a few rough months. It's ridiculous they need bailouts.
 
Originally Posted by Gasbuggy
Anyone know why the airlines seem to run on the ragged edge of collapse? I mean, after a 11-year bull market these companies should be able to withstand a few rough months. It's ridiculous they need bailouts.


Did you read the bailout package? One reason they don't have any money anymore is because they spent it on stock buybacks. Which boosted the price of their stock which doesn't really help their bottom line. Now part of the bailout says they can't spend money on stock buybacks.
 
Originally Posted by Gasbuggy
Anyone know why the airlines seem to run on the ragged edge of collapse? I mean, after a 11-year bull market these companies should be able to withstand a few rough months. It's ridiculous they need bailouts.

US-based airlines are criminal or something. Just look at their fees for everything, not to mention their prices compared to flights in other countries.
 
Originally Posted by Gasbuggy
Anyone know why the airlines seem to run on the ragged edge of collapse? I mean, after a 11-year bull market these companies should be able to withstand a few rough months. It's ridiculous they need bailouts.

Because nobody has the stones to let them fail...and they know it.
 
Originally Posted by Gasbuggy
Anyone know why the airlines seem to run on the ragged edge of collapse? I mean, after a 11-year bull market these companies should be able to withstand a few rough months. It's ridiculous they need bailouts.


Stock buy backs.

But when you're burning through cash due to _____ , you have no choice but to ask the government for help.
 
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by CincyDavid
I was on Allegiant's website the other day...need to get to my house in FL to let the alarm guy in to set up the cameras, etc. The flight from CVG-PDG had EVERY seat available, and this was only 7 days prior to the flight. Astounding.

Have you considered driving vs flying ? I certainly would if it were me. Otherwise, I'd move to a seat farther from everyone else and wear a mask.


window seat is the safest for (not) catching stuff...
 
Corporate stock buy backs.

CEOs compensation is based on their stock price.... so they will buy back their stock to alter the P/E and profit from all the manipulation. This is 100% legal and at one time many years ago was not allowed.



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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by Cujet
The cargo pilots are fairly busy.

My DHL "spot quote" rates have increased 2.5-3x over what they were ~2 months ago. They are also adding a "because we can" surcharge for shipments out of China and HK (doesn't apply to me though). I contacted my rep and he said China is back in business, full strength, and their planes are full, i.e. laws of supply and demand have kicked in. They are also having to pay other cargo carriers to haul cargo for them.


One word of mouth I heard from a factory contact in China, is that the order were fully booked in May and June, then the order collapsed afterward. Customers willing to pay penalty to cancel orders after that, the recession is coming and the order reflects that.

One thing I realized: if people were hoarding and increases Walmart's business by 20%, then a social distance of shoppers will easily bring it down by that much or more. People will only go to a store to get essentials when the wait to get in is 30 mins (1hr for my recent trips into Trader Joe's, when they started the occupancy limit and social distance 2 weeks before Safeway, Walmart, Target, and everyone else). All those impulse purchases will be wiped out, and people will only buy food and household supplies.
 
Originally Posted by AC1DD
Originally Posted by bbhero
We are all going to fail before too long.. .


The commercial passenger industry is finished as we know it. The cargo sector will stay working OK for now.

I would bet that all except a few passenger airlines without massive gov't funding will fold in the next year around the world.


There is a permanent effect on business travel. People will do a lot less of it when everyone get used to video conferencing from home and every computer / equipment has remote control or is virtual machine. The next 5 years we will see a lot of work done remotely, not just due to cost like the 90s and 2000s outsourcing, but also for flexibility reason within a couple time zone away.
 
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by CincyDavid
I was on Allegiant's website the other day...need to get to my house in FL to let the alarm guy in to set up the cameras, etc. The flight from CVG-PDG had EVERY seat available, and this was only 7 days prior to the flight. Astounding.

Have you considered driving vs flying ? I certainly would if it were me. Otherwise, I'd move to a seat farther from everyone else and wear a mask.


window seat is the safest for (not) catching stuff...


We just did the driven trip a couple of weeks ago...haven't done a road trip in years and this trip reminded me why...15 hours each way, back hurt, legs hurt, ankles swelled. The whole endeavor was miserable. Now I'd be nervous about getting there on I-75...supposedly FL is checking people at the state line and creating all sorts of traffic tie-ups.
 
Originally Posted by PandaBear
Originally Posted by AC1DD
Originally Posted by bbhero
We are all going to fail before too long.. .


The commercial passenger industry is finished as we know it. The cargo sector will stay working OK for now.

I would bet that all except a few passenger airlines without massive gov't funding will fold in the next year around the world.


There is a permanent effect on business travel. People will do a lot less of it when everyone get used to video conferencing from home and every computer / equipment has remote control or is virtual machine. The next 5 years we will see a lot of work done remotely, not just due to cost like the 90s and 2000s outsourcing, but also for flexibility reason within a couple time zone away.


This argument was made in 2002 (SARS) and again in 2008 (economic downturn) and again in 2009 (H1N1) and again in 2012 (MERS).

So, every drop in air travel due to either economic downturn or pandemic, I hear folks say that it's permanent; business air travel won't come back.

It has yet to be true
 
Some passenger airplanes are flying with limited cargo in the passenger compartment. This is helping the airlines to utilize some of their fleet.

Originally Posted by Cujet
The cargo pilots are fairly busy.
 
All the remote controlled equipment around the world shifted the work to technical crews that include computer geeks, hydraulic specialists, mechanics, electrical specialists, fiber optic geeks, and the OEM engineers who built the kit…
These guys can do a bit of it remote … but really need to get to that facility. There are lots more than business travelers and vacation travelers … although a big portion of all of them will return to flights.
I will, and United just sent an email saying my premium status is protected during that delay.
 
Originally Posted by CincyDavid
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by CincyDavid
I was on Allegiant's website the other day...need to get to my house in FL to let the alarm guy in to set up the cameras, etc. The flight from CVG-PDG had EVERY seat available, and this was only 7 days prior to the flight. Astounding.

Have you considered driving vs flying ? I certainly would if it were me. Otherwise, I'd move to a seat farther from everyone else and wear a mask.


window seat is the safest for (not) catching stuff...


We just did the driven trip a couple of weeks ago...haven't done a road trip in years and this trip reminded me why...15 hours each way, back hurt, legs hurt, ankles swelled. The whole endeavor was miserable. Now I'd be nervous about getting there on I-75...supposedly FL is checking people at the state line and creating all sorts of traffic tie-ups.

There are plenty of secondary roads to take...
 
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