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Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: allepunta] #5394151 04/05/20 05:05 AM
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As far as I know Manchester is not a part of Germany.... smile And you are not a part of EU either laugh

Grp. III is also labelled as synthetic for many Europeans...I suppose that you Dont have to know that anymore!


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Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: Kamele0N] #5394153 04/05/20 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamele0N


Grp. III is also labelled as synthetic for many Europeans...

....... and South East Asia too , possibly whole of Asia .

Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: Olas] #5394184 04/05/20 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Olas
Groups 1, 2 and 3 are all mineral oil or 'dino oil', undergoing varying levels of processing & refining.

In Europe, we only regard Group 4 and Group 5 as 'Synthetic'
Group 3 is labelled as Semi-Synthetic
Groups 1 & 2 are labelled as Mineral.

So yes, we do have them.



You can ignore your manual and go for whatever 0/5w30/40 you can find for a reasonable price. Base Group is not an issue here.


Hi Olas
Just so I am understanding this correctly. If I buy a motor oil in the UK that is labelled 'fully synthetic' it will be group iv or above base stock?

Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: allepunta] #5394261 04/05/20 08:34 AM
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Yes.....but That Will be like that everywhere


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Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: allepunta] #5394281 04/05/20 08:48 AM
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Hi
I an struggling with this now as it is not how I understood things.

I took it that Group iii were so highly refined they were allowed to be called 'synthetic. Also, for example , oils like Shell Helix Ultra that uses GTL are called fully synthetic even though they are not group iv.

Thanks.

Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: allepunta] #5394320 04/05/20 09:19 AM
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According to German law, here in Germany only PAO / Group IV+V is allowed to be labeled "Fully Synthetic"

Shell is labeld "Synthetic technolgy" here, Mobil 1 "SHC technology" and Motul, the Company that tried to cheat Customers and lost on Court, (HOW Stupid are they??) is now newly labbeld "Synthese Technology" here. All theses Oils are Group III, Hydrocracked or a mix of Group IV + III

The only true fully synthetic oils available here i am aware of are from Ravenol, Liqui Moly and Rowe.

Group I is mineral, Dino.
Groupi II is semi-synth. A mix of I and III/IV,
Group III is Hycrocracked or GTL, so called Synthetic,
Group IV is the real deal, fully synthetic PAO / Ester.


FYI: Motul was so stupid and printed "Fully Synthetic" on the bottles here in Germany, but were sued by annother company for wrong advertising and lost on court, now all bottles are newly labeld here in germany.

Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: Kamele0N] #5394331 04/05/20 09:24 AM
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Yes, I have been places in the EU where M1 0w40 was called synthetic … and where my driver put 1.2m Km on his MB and traded for another while running fine …

Re: Dino oils available in Europe? [Re: Olas] #5396105 04/07/20 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Olas
In Europe, we only regard Group 4 and Group 5 as 'Synthetic'
Group 3 is labelled as Semi-Synthetic
Groups 1 & 2 are labelled as Mineral.


This is incorrect. In most of Europe (as in most of the world), the term "fully synthetic" is applied to any oil containing 100% Group III, IV or selected V base oils. The term "semi-synthetic" does not refer to, and never has referred to, a group III base oil. The term "semi-synthetic" refers to a blend of groups I/II with group III/IV/V.

The only exception in Europe is Germany, where group III has its own reference, "HC-Synthese". Still "synthetic", but hydrocracked synthetic.

And once again I must point out that group V is not a synthetic category - it is a broad category that includes some synthetics (ester for example) and many non-synthetics (naphthenics, MVIs and so on).


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