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Re: Tesla Crushing It [Re: JeffKeryk] #5393318 04/04/20 08:42 AM
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The driving range on the hwy is a game breaker for me as I travel by car several long trips each year. I do see them as needed for local driving.


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Re: Tesla Crushing It [Re: JeffKeryk] #5393328 04/04/20 08:53 AM
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Just to we all agree what we are comparing here, what is the purchase cost or if you want, the monthly lease cost of a base model Tesla 3 in the USA. smile

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Re: Tesla Crushing It [Re: jcartwright99] #5393331 04/04/20 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jcartwright99
If things don't get better, Tesla will go bankrupt faster than the big 3. They are billions in debt and in the best of times can't make an annual profit. The Tesla zealots won't like it but Tesla is in no place to handle a global recession.


Ford and GM are in bad shape and want another Cash For Clunkers type program to somehow get sales going again.

All those $50K trucks on dealer lots need to be moved .

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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Just to we all agree what we are comparing here, what is the purchase cost or if you want, the monthly lease cost of a base model Tesla 3 in the USA. smile

The starting price of a Model 3 is $40K. This gets you a white, Standard Range Plus. 250 mile range, 140 mph top speed, 0 to 60 in 5.3 seconds.
Our car, similar to this but with more range, alloy wheels and AP was about $56K in Dec 2018. We did get the $7,500 tax credit.
Today that $$ almost gets you into the Performance Dual Motor AWD, 320 mile range, 145 mile top speed and 3.2 second 0 to 60.

Model 3

Remember, a Tesla lease is different in that you have no option to buy at lease end. Musk is building a future fleet of autonomous driving cars for his own Uber or whatever.
That boy just might be whack...

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Re: Tesla Crushing It [Re: JeffKeryk] #5393352 04/04/20 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk

But its products are in strong demand in an otherwise shrinking new car market.


Umm no. They have merely increased their production rate but this in no way suggests their products are in strong demand. If they had the same production capacity as everyone else, I predict that their sales decline would be near the same as everyone else, or possibly a lot worse since a potential economic depression can decrease luxury/toy sales rates of anything. It is merely a sign that they can't keep up with the very weak demand but are (now, were) getting better at it.

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Originally Posted by Dave9
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But its products are in strong demand in an otherwise shrinking new car market.


Umm no. They have merely increased their production rate but this in no way suggests their products are in strong demand. If they had the same production capacity as everyone else, I predict that their sales decline would be near the same as everyone else, or possibly a lot worse since a potential economic depression can decrease luxury/toy sales rates of anything. It is merely a sign that they can't keep up with the very weak demand but are (now, were) getting better at it.

I am not sure where you are getting your information from; please show me a source? I have not read anything like that.
That's the opposite of what the numbers say. The Model 3 was #3 selling car in CA behind Civic and Camry. CA is by far the biggest market in the US.
#7 car in US.
China is the biggest market in the world and the Shanghai factory opened in Dec.
The new Gigafactory 4 near Berlin opens early next year as European demand is strong.

And the Model Y has just been released. It is expected to take SUV market share, which as you know is where the sales are.
I visited the local Tesla service center to check out the Y; they didn't have one. This was early March.
They told me wait time was 6 months to 1 year for new orders.

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I remember 2009. Autotrader in California was inundated with people trying to dump their Porsche 911 leases. The first quarter numbers for deliveries of Teslas only contain two weeks of Covid 19. Wait until the second quarter numbers to gauge the number of new orders. smile


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Originally Posted by Mr Nice
Originally Posted by jcartwright99
If things don't get better, Tesla will go bankrupt faster than the big 3. They are billions in debt and in the best of times can't make an annual profit. The Tesla zealots won't like it but Tesla is in no place to handle a global recession.


Ford and GM are in bad shape and want another Cash For Clunkers type program to somehow get sales going again.

All those $50K trucks on dealer lots need to be moved .


There is a good chance Ford may not survive this downturn.


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Re: Tesla Crushing It [Re: Snagglefoot] #5393386 04/04/20 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
I remember 2009. Autotrader in California was inundated with people trying to dump their Porsche 911 leases. The first quarter numbers for deliveries of Teslas only contain two weeks of Covid 19. Wait until the second quarter numbers to gauge the number of new orders. smile

Of course, Tesla does not exist in a bubble. All car manufacturers will be hurt.
But no other car maker has the Tesla order backlog.
Surely a number of back orders will cancel and new orders will slow.

Since Fremont production has ceased for the forseeable future, the banner year highlighted by the Model Y will not be so banner.
Tesla will not be able to repay its outstanding debt as planned.

By the way, the Fremont and Buffalo plants are constructing ventilator production lines.

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Pretty predictable responses as usual. Had this been a Japanese or Korean company, it would be praised to high heaven.


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Tesla will get rocked in the next two quarters. Im a buyer in the 300-350 stock price range, if it happens.


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Everyone is welcome to put their 2 cents in. In this rough time, I just wanted to rattle a few cages.
And Elon is whack. It takes whack to do something big.
I will pass on your good ideas...

Stay safe.
All good.

Cujet has range anxiety. He should wait for the Roadster. 600 mile range. 0 to 60 in 1.8 seconds, 8.8 second quarter mile. 7,000 pound feet of torque.


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Re: Tesla Crushing It [Re: JeffKeryk] #5393847 04/04/20 06:55 PM
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Even the current Model S P100D is running 10.4 sec 1/4 miles now. And beating Lambos at 3x the price.

I bet the Model S Plaid (coming later this year) will be 9.xx in the 1/4 mile.



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Based on tweets by Elon last few days, I think someone needs to do intervention there.


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