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Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil #5391347 04/01/20 09:14 PM
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This is a sample pulled from my Durango 3.6L with 117,000 miles total and 5,000 miles on the oil. The oil is HP 5w-20 by High Performance Lubricants in Manteno, IL. This oil is intended for extended drain intervals. It's not inexpensive, but it's clear that it holds up very well. I will sample again at 10,000 miles. Filter is a Fram Ultra, which was not changed at this sample. Consumption was zero, which improved from about 0.25qt every 5,000 miles.

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OIL             HP 5w-20
MILES IN USE    5,000
MILES           117,000   
SAMPLE TAKEN    02/22/2020  

ALUMINUM        3
CHROMIUM        0        
IRON            5       
COPPER          3      
LEAD            0       
TIN             0        
MOLYBDENUM      523       
NICKEL          0      
MANGANESE       <1        
SILVER          <1        
TITANIUM        <1        
POTASSIUM       1       
BORON           181       
SILICON         11        
SODIUM          4      
CALCIUM         3422     
MAGNESIUM       462      
PHOSPHORUS      788     
ZINC            948     
BARIUM          3
     
Soot            0.1      
WATER           NEG         
cSt @ 100 °C    8.8
TBN             12.3


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391357 04/01/20 09:21 PM
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Did you purchase this oil or was it provided to you?

Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: Imp4] #5391364 04/01/20 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Imp4
Did you purchase this oil or was it provided to you?

IMP4,

I purchased the oil. Thank you for asking.

Wayne


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391367 04/01/20 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wwillson
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Did you purchase this oil or was it provided to you?

IMP4,

I purchased the oil. Thank you for asking.

Wayne

Great, thanks!
Do you think the price you paid was worth the difference in cost versus a mass market, readily available (Walmart, AZ, etc) product?

Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391370 04/01/20 09:40 PM
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That looks like a really stout oil....but the calcium level is too high for a GDI turbo engine.
How much does a quart of that VSOP cost?


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: Imp4] #5391376 04/01/20 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Imp4
Originally Posted by wwillson
Originally Posted by Imp4
Did you purchase this oil or was it provided to you?

IMP4,

I purchased the oil. Thank you for asking.

Wayne

Great, thanks!
Do you think the price you paid was worth the difference you paid versus a mass market, readily available (Walmart, AZ, etc) product?

Good question and the point of my running the oil. I plan on running it to 20,000 miles with a UOA every 5,000 miles. If it goes 20,000 miles before reaching any condemnation limit, then I'd say yes at $9.39/qt.


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391385 04/01/20 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by wwillson
Good question and the point of my running the oil. I plan on running it to 20,000 miles with a UOA every 5,000 miles. If it goes 20,000 miles before reaching any condemnation limit, then I'd say yes at $9.39/qt.

A decent UOA is $25. Are you figuring the $100 UOA cost into your analysis, or do you consider the UOA cost to be external?

Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391456 04/02/20 12:26 AM
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Do you have for info on the oil? Even a picture of the bottle? grin2


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: Imp4] #5391591 04/02/20 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Imp4
Originally Posted by wwillson
Good question and the point of my running the oil. I plan on running it to 20,000 miles with a UOA every 5,000 miles. If it goes 20,000 miles before reaching any condemnation limit, then I'd say yes at $9.39/qt.

A decent UOA is $25. Are you figuring the $100 UOA cost into your analysis, or do you consider the UOA cost to be external?

I would dump at 20,000 and do a 4 UOAs the first time, just because I'm curious. The next run would get a UOA at 15,000 to determine how the oil is doing. If the UOAs show no reason to dump the oil at 15,000, then maybe not even do UOA and dump at 20,000. However, I'm curious enough and like data, so I would probably just do a UOA at 15,000 every time.


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: daves87rs] #5391593 04/02/20 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by daves87rs
Do you have for info on the oil? Even a picture of the bottle? grin2


This is what they look like: https://www.hplubricants.com/hp-synthetic-motor-oil/

I will take a picture of of mine and post later.


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391678 04/02/20 09:26 AM
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A TBN of 12.3 with 5k miles on it? That's either incredible, or a testing error.

Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5391684 04/02/20 09:30 AM
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I see where most of their business concerns industrial equipment with a lot of compressor oils. Looks like they may have some pretty good knowledge and industry suppliers for the blending they do. Would be interesting to see a SDS or product data sheet for their motor oils. As an aside, the 3.6 Pentastar uses the Mopar 6395 specification which literally allows you to buy the cheapest off the shelf non-synthetic Valvoline/QS/YBP etc. It doesn't stop me from squandering my money on Red Line or Ravenol for my 3.6L Pentastar but I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to buying oil for my vehicles according to the Bitog masses. Won't allow me to see their SDS/Data sheets without a sign-on.

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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: JustN89] #5391701 04/02/20 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JustN89
A TBN of 12.3 with 5k miles on it? That's either incredible, or a testing error.

It's accurate. It's part of HPL's specialization, make oils that have great performance and are safe for extended drains.


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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5392430 04/03/20 08:13 AM
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Re: Dodge Durango 3.6L - HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 Miles on oil [Re: wwillson] #5392584 04/03/20 11:10 AM
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Holy cow that's a lot of Moly and Boron shocked


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