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can I use it? #5388760 03/29/20 03:54 PM
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hi folks,
if my manual requires api and ilsac specs can I or am i better off using thos specs in addition

API SN ACEA C2/C3
FIAT9.55535-S1 \ S3
GM DEXOS2
MB229.51
VW 505.01
BMW LL04

or should I strickly stick to an sn/gf spec only?
tnx

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or using an a3/be for that matter,
fuel economy is secondary to me,looking for the highest spec I can use.
now using the motul eco lite w30 which is a d1g2 and sn,hths3.3 and happy with it but the x cess is looking even better.more specs,higher hths,
tempting...

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Re: can I use it? [Re: avi1777] #5388789 03/29/20 04:45 PM
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yes, you can use it...

Re: can I use it? [Re: avi1777] #5388867 03/29/20 07:02 PM
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GM dexos2 is a tough standard. However, for GM dexos2 or ACEA C3, HTHS ≥ 3.5 cP, and your fuel-economy will be a few percent lower. Since it also satisfies the better-fuel-economy ACEA C2 spec, I would say about 2% lower fuel economy than for a typical ILSAC oil. Your oil pressure will also be higher. Nevertheless, it won't do any harm, and it may be beneficial in reducing wear in high-speed driving.


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A3/B4 is good, Porsche A40 is measurably better wink

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as far as i know the sn spec is low ash right?
are the specs above low mid or high ash?
tnx guys

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505.01 is high saps

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so just to be clear i need a low saps oil?its a gasoline 2.5 n/a engine.

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as far as i remember i can use use low to mid saps and high saps is bad for the converters,
please correct me if im wrong.

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Low-SAPS oils (SA ≤ 0.5%) are virtually nonexistent. All specs you posted here are mid-SAPS -- SA ≤ 0.8%. ILSAC oils typically have SA = 0.8 - 1.0%; so, they tend to be a little higher in SA than the European mid-SAPS oils.

Any oil is fine for your engine, but I would avoid full-SAPS oils (ACEA A3/B4, typically SA ~ 1.3%) for peace of mind (emissions durability).


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Originally Posted by Gokhan
Low-SAPS oils (SA ≤ 0.5%) are virtually nonexistent. All specs you posted here are mid-SAPS -- SA ≤ 0.8%. ILSAC oils typically have SA = 0.8 - 1.0%; so, they tend to be a little higher in SA than the European mid-SAPS oils.

Any oil is fine for your engine, but I would avoid full-SAPS oils (ACEA A3/B4, typically SA ~ 1.3%) for peace of mind (emissions durability).

tnk u gokhan,
this is a low saps oil they do exist
https://www.motul.com/mx/en/products/8100-eco-clean-5w30--2

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Originally Posted by Olas
505.01 is high saps

here it says it is mid saps
https://d23zpyj32c5wn3.cloudfront.net/images/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/83155/8100_X-clean_EFE_5W-30_%28GB%29.pdf?1545234968

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Re: can I use it? [Re: avi1777] #5389088 03/30/20 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Low-SAPS oils (SA ≤ 0.5%) are virtually nonexistent. All specs you posted here are mid-SAPS -- SA ≤ 0.8%. ILSAC oils typically have SA = 0.8 - 1.0%; so, they tend to be a little higher in SA than the European mid-SAPS oils.

Any oil is fine for your engine, but I would avoid full-SAPS oils (ACEA A3/B4, typically SA ~ 1.3%) for peace of mind (emissions durability).
tnk u gokhan,
this is a low saps oil they do exist
https://www.motul.com/mx/en/products/8100-eco-clean-5w30--2

Thanks. ACEA is getting rid of the C1 category, which is low-SAPS, lower-HTHS (~ 3.0 cP), later this year. It is being recommended by only one OEM. C4 will remain, which is low-SAPS, high-HTHS (3.5 cP and above).


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Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by Olas
505.01 is high saps
here it says it is mid saps
https://d23zpyj32c5wn3.cloudfront.net/images/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/83155/8100_X-clean_EFE_5W-30_%28GB%29.pdf?1545234968

Yes, MB 229.51 and VW 505.01 are mid-SAPS.

There is no high-SAPS. There are only low-SAPS, mid-SAPS, and full-SAPS.


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