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Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5387512 03/28/20 12:14 AM
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I have both of those--bought them together in a kit.

I have never had the 1/2" NOT work on a lug nut. Just working on passenger cars though, not big trucks.

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: JOD] #5387530 03/28/20 02:36 AM
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I see a push for Milwaukee but ANY "mid torque" (300-500 ft lb) is suitable for frequent lug nut duty and if you have a car or small truck (under 130 ft lb spec) even the smaller impacts (150-200 ft lb) will suffice for occasional lug nut use. I don't like using 1/4 impact drivers for any kind of bolt busting. I use them for driving not removing although they are often powerful enough. I have Kobalt compact 3/8, compact 1/2, full size 1/2 and Milwaukee 3/8 stubby impact wrenched, all of which take off my trucks 110 ft lb spec'd lug nuts easily and just about everything else including axle nuts and leaf spring shackle bolts. I have yet to actually NEED the largest one. More important than brand is sticking with a platform you have or plan on having multiple tools on. My 3 platforms are Kobalt 24v, Milwaukee 12v and Craftsman V60 for outdoor work (lawnmower, chainsaw, blower).

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5387745 03/28/20 09:55 AM
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Just a quick follow up... the RIDGID website about R86011B

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Best-in-Class Fastening Torque with 485 ft.-lbs. when paired with OCTANE™ battery (not included)
Best-in-Class Breakaway Torque with 620 ft.-lbs. when paired with OCTANE™ battery (not included)


I got RIDGID AC840087 battery (and didn't realize this one is 3 year warranty?). The website doesn't spec for with this battery. So, I am guessing it's going to be marginal lower than 485/620?

The RIDGID R86010B is more like what this battery would do? This (R86010B) is 325 ft-lb (both forward and reverse).

Maybe I should wait for RIDGID next generation model (could now be years later)? I could just buy the Mil or DeW and then have new two platforms? Or, just buy the air impact since I won't be using the 1/2" impact often enough? choices choices!

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5387895 03/28/20 12:33 PM
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You could get by with what I do when working on nice chrome lug nuts, or locking nuts. Instead of hitting them with my IR 1500ftlb cordless 1/2in impact, I will break them all loose by hand, and use my cordless 1/4 inch impact to run them off and back on. Then snug them by hand before lowering, and finishing with a torque wrench. Very easy.


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Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5387992 03/28/20 02:47 PM
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Oh I found a cheap Ryobi, Home Depot has the 1/2 inch impact Ryobi for $99. Not sure how long it will last. Comes with battery and charger. Normally the tool alone is $100 so the battery and charger alone is probably worth $50-$70. It's the same 300 foot pounds as the other ones you were considering.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-1...-18-Volt-Charger-and-Bag-P1833/302648209

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: Traction] #5388113 03/28/20 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Traction
You could get by with what I do when working on nice chrome lug nuts, or locking nuts. Instead of hitting them with my IR 1500ftlb cordless 1/2in impact, I will break them all loose by hand, and use my cordless 1/4 inch impact to run them off and back on. Then snug them by hand before lowering, and finishing with a torque wrench. Very easy.

I'm on my 4th high dollar cordless impact wrench, and I have figured out after the first 2 tools that needed a breaker bar most of the time, and the cheaper ones are still going to need to be broke free with a breaker bar too. At that point they are not any better than a 1/4 inch impact to buzz them off and on. If I run into a lug nut my impact wrench can't move, I have something even better than a 3 foot breaker bar. It's a 6:1 torque multiplier wrench that puts out 1200fllb with only 200 on the input.

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Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5388210 03/28/20 06:34 PM
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Whatever you do, watch out for extensions--you know, 6" or whatever that you might have between the tool and the socket. I forget what I was doing but one day I went to zip something off and my "big" Earthquake wasn't moving it. I was kinda surprised, then thought about it, removed the extension and... off came the bolt effortlessly. Pointing that out as some reviewers might have a 3" or whatever non-impact rated extension while working on lugnuts, and that might be complicating the issue.


What are you referring to?

the flip socket set, the 3" impact extension bar
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the torque limiting bars, the 8" extension bars

Are you saying that using (either) extension bar weakens the advertised torquing power?

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5388523 03/29/20 10:10 AM
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Yes, using extensions or even long sockets reduces the effective torque of impact wrenches. Imagine the hammer's blow being used to accelerate the socket vs accelerating the fastener.

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: eljefino] #5388607 03/29/20 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Yes, using extensions or even long sockets reduces the effective torque of impact wrenches. Imagine the hammer's blow being used to accelerate the socket vs accelerating the fastener.


They probably end up acting like a torque stick. Basically the metal ends up absorbing the impact blows so you don't end up with as much torque. To get the max torque out the impact wrench, use it without any extensions.

I might actually end up getting this set although I only really one for 100 foot pounds and the basic 1 setting on the impact gun is for 100 foot pounds but that's probably less accurate than the torque stick or wrench.

https://www.harborfreight.com/10-piece-12-in-torque-limiting-extension-bar-set-69870.html

Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: CNT] #5388611 03/29/20 12:00 PM
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Which for tire/wheel work impact wrenches must have an extended anvil allow you to get the most power by not needing an extension.

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Re: 18v impact driver/wrench [Re: eljefino] #5388643 03/29/20 12:56 PM
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using extensions

So, let say... best to get the higher impacting power. Example (numbers are made up, just example):

(forward impact)
get the 750 ft-lb tool, that way, when using extensions, it would reduce down to like 650 ft-lb?
get the 485 ft-lb tool, that way, when using extensions, it would reduce down to like 390 ft-lb?

(reverse impact)
get the 1400 ft-lb tool, that way, when using extensions, it would reduce down to like 1100 ft-lb?
get the 620 ft-lb tool, that way, when using extensions, it would reduce down to like 400 ft-lb?

I think I get it... when using extensions, the impact tool would be working on the socket rather the lug nut. Correct me, in technically, the full impacting torque is the anvil, so anything add onto the anvil (even just the first one socket), the torque is dropped. The more extensions, the more the torque (multiply) drops.

In watching (more than one) YouTube reviews, when they use torque limiting bars, they double check with manual torque wrench, it met the specs. So, the engineers made aware of "using extensions" causing reducing torque measurements? In other words, torque limiting bars are exemption in this case?

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