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Mobil 1 10W-60 #5386805 03/27/20 07:55 AM
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I've found a shop nearby me that sells it, very expensive, but an oil that has always interested me.

I have a long list of "want to try" oils, this is definetly one of the ones that is highest on the list.

It really looks like a stout oil both in terms of viscosity and add pack, see it by yourself down below.

TDS: file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/lubricantes-online.com%20-%20mobil%201%20motorsport%20formula%2010w60.pdf
SDS: https://www.hermann-ruettger.shop/media/products/Sicherheitsdatenblatt%2010W60.pdf

However my main question would be, from the SDS can somebody tell me what type of base stock this oil would have?

How much could i expect it to shear, in a car driven fairly aggressively?

I would be using it in my Capri, it's just fine on the specified 20W-50 that is in it now, but a 10W-60 just sounds better, faster cold flow, more oil pressure when hot.
1300ppm of Phos also sounds good for my flat tappet cam.


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386815 03/27/20 08:01 AM
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I believe the 10w60's are designed specifically for older BMW M cars and are known for shearing quite heavily during use. Not that it's a bad thing specifically.

If one thing I've learned from this board though, is a good mineral 15w40 or Monograde 30 is the poor-mans synthetic and will do just well for hard/severe use.


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: Bailes1992] #5386819 03/27/20 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bailes1992
I believe the 10w60's are designed specifically for older BMW M cars and are known for shearing quite heavily during use. Not that it's a bad thing specifically.

If one thing I've learned from this board though, is a good mineral 15w40 or Monograde 30 is the poor-mans synthetic and will do just well for hard/severe use.


Well, it just doesn't hold enough oil pressure anymore with anything that is thinner than a HTHS of 4.5 anymore haha, it's a bit worn but otherwise in good health, compression is good, doesn't leak or burn any oil, runs smooth and still has some guts when you put your foot down, still pulls almost 95-100mph in 3rd as it should.

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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386822 03/27/20 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FordCapriDriver
Originally Posted by Bailes1992
I believe the 10w60's are designed specifically for older BMW M cars and are known for shearing quite heavily during use. Not that it's a bad thing specifically.

If one thing I've learned from this board though, is a good mineral 15w40 or Monograde 30 is the poor-mans synthetic and will do just well for hard/severe use.


Well, it just doesn't hold enough oil pressure anymore with anything that is thinner than a HTHS of 4.5 anymore haha, it's a bit work but otherwise in good health, compression is good, runs smooth and still has some guts when you put your foot down, still pulls almost 90mph in 3rd as it should.


Can you get any Penrite oils where you are? I know they do some 70 weights.

Alternative, could you get some Lucas oil stabilizer? Fill up with an ACEA A3 15w40 with a litre of lucas to thicken things up??


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386825 03/27/20 08:10 AM
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Can't get Penrite, or Lucas oil stabilizer.

I'm not really looking for recommendations, i'm most definetly going to run it for my next OCi, i just want to know how much can i expect it to shear and what base stocks it's made from as i can't decipher those CAS numbers etc.


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: Bailes1992] #5386847 03/27/20 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bailes1992
I believe the 10w60's are designed specifically for older BMW M cars and are known for shearing quite heavily during use. Not that it's a bad thing specifically.

Castrol TWS 10W-60 became the recommended oil for certain naturally aspirated BMW M engines starting around the year 2000, and supposedly Castrol tweaked the formula accordingly. Now, BMW has its own-branded 10W-60 for those engines, made by Shell (likely based on Helix Ultra Racing 10W-60). Both of those oils are indeed known to shear in use, though rarely more than one grade.

TWS has a long history including many other applications, and there have long been other 10W-60s on the market for various very-high-performance applications and race use.

Judging from the marketing materials, this Mobil 1 10W-60 seems to have been originally aimed at older vehicles that just need something really thick.


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That's kinda lite for gear oil.


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: tig1] #5386849 03/27/20 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tig1
That's kinda lite for gear oil.

xW-60 for motor oil is in the xW-110 range for gear oil. wink


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386862 03/27/20 08:50 AM
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Houston is hotter than most cities in Spain. A lot of folks run 0w20 in their truck engines. But I feel the thickie aura! Good luck! laugh

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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386866 03/27/20 08:55 AM
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I got an idea. Replace the con rod bearing shells smile

If you need a 60 you are done.


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386882 03/27/20 09:15 AM
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Before you go thru this work, verify pressure with a cheap mechanical oil pressure gauge, temporary install. The electric gauges have senders that tend to fail.

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What about a Shell Helix syn-blend like HX7 in 10W-40 or 15W-40?

The 15W-40 looks beefy and still pours at -45C...

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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Houston is hotter than most cities in Spain. A lot of folks run 0w20 in their truck engines. But I feel the thickie aura! Good luck! laugh


His car is older and I wouldn't ever suggest 0W-20 for something from the 1980's unless its a HM oil in a very cold climate...

Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5386936 03/27/20 10:32 AM
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I recall the European version of Mobil 1 10W-60 being advertised for high mileage cars. You should have no problems running it in Spain, my only reservation would be the seal sweller if you don't need it.

If you don't have any leaks, or are looking to keep this engine for a long time, maybe look at Shell Helix Racing 10W-60 or Fuchs Titan Race Pro S 10W-60 for extra phosphorus if you absolutely want a 10W-60? Motul 8100 X-Power 10W-60 would also be worth looking into, if you do not want a racing oil.


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Re: Mobil 1 10W-60 [Re: FordCapriDriver] #5387089 03/27/20 02:31 PM
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I used to run Castrol GTX 20W50 in older engines with low oil pressure, sometimes combined with one (or two) bottles of STP Oil Treatment. Not sure if that's available in Spain, but it worked for me, even on engines worn enough to have lifter clatter at hot idle in summer.


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