Recent Topics
GM 10L80 Issues
by shimps1 - 06/03/20 08:26 PM
Brake/Carb cleaner issue.
by Jarpin - 06/03/20 07:27 PM
sharp oil pressure drop-off > 130C
by bbrtuning - 06/03/20 06:48 PM
Warranty work
by t1snwrbrdr12 - 06/03/20 06:10 PM
AC Flashing Light
by artbuc - 06/03/20 05:13 PM
Watches
by Passport1 - 06/03/20 03:57 PM
best budget tire
by VQLT - 06/03/20 03:33 PM
Castrol EDGE turns black/red FAST
by Silver - 06/03/20 03:20 PM
Our van feels "Darty" or twitchy" on the highway
by 1911CHAMPION - 06/03/20 02:55 PM
You guys who pile the miles up weekly on your ride
by Speak2Mountain - 06/03/20 02:22 PM
'19 + '20 Kicks w/C.V.T. : Any owners or know
by odie - 06/03/20 01:38 PM
Securing rubber hose to metal tubing?
by joshuawesl - 06/03/20 01:15 PM
Extremely rare Honda
by wings&wheels - 06/03/20 12:36 PM
Shuffle Dancing
by BlueOvalFitter - 06/03/20 12:19 PM
Do you practice a vegan-keto diet?
by Ed_Flecko - 06/03/20 12:08 PM
Digitizing Photos and Slides
by Snagglefoot - 06/03/20 12:04 PM
Eezox vs Prolix?
by Gebo - 06/03/20 11:49 AM
Walmart closing all Tire and Lube Express in Canada
by tenderloin - 06/03/20 10:38 AM
Seeking Exterior Home Aesthetic Advice (UPDATE!)
by DriveHard - 06/03/20 10:22 AM
Newest Members
rorty, Ghosty, zmann96, yetti96, weekendwally
71602 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
118 registered members (2015_PSD, 1911CHAMPION, 14Accent, 77GrandPrix, 14 invisible), 2,018 guests, and 50 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics306,110
Posts5,287,698
Members71,602
Most Online4,538
Jan 20th, 2020
Donate to BITOG
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386277 03/26/20 02:09 PM
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 814
F
Fordiesel69 Offline
Offline
F
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 814
IF, and only IF you do highway runs to burn off any fuel dillution or water vapor, then I run all of mine 3 yrs, 3k miles and never had an issue or bad oil sample come back. There has been a few times it took all 3 yrs to get 3k miles and the filter just started to get surface rust on its unpainted surfaces.


99' Crown Vic Police - SAP (P71)
00' Crown Vic Police - SAP (P71)
08' Crown Vics Police - SAP(P71's) (total of 3 garage queens)
13' Taurus Police
14' Fusion S Base
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5386283 03/26/20 02:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 3,644
H
hallstevenson Offline
Offline
H
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 3,644
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
But - about 15 years ago I did it and the old, used Fram EG gasket stayed on the filter housing base. Had a mess on my driveway after I installed the new oil filter and haven't bought Extra Guards since.

I've had that happen 2-3 times in the past 1-2 years with the FU filters as well. I do oil the gasket but am probably putting them on too tight. I have to use a filter wrench (my arm strength isn't what it used to be) but I do NOT crank it down any more than many of you can do with your bare hands. I have no trouble getting them off either but I've learned to look for the gasket every time.

Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386310 03/26/20 02:57 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 4,709
Yah-Tah-Hey Offline
Offline
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 4,709
WHY

Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386313 03/26/20 03:04 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 6,280
Bryanccfshr Offline
Offline
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 6,280
I do intermediate 5 k oil changes without a filter change. I don’t drain it, I don’t touch it. It gets changed every 10k.
Couple of reasons for this. I have cartridge filters that require skid plate removal to change..so I like to a void that too frequently. And, they are not being challenged or dirty even at 10k. The used oil leftover in the filter is not that much more when compared to what is left in the engine after a drain and filter change. More oil Oil remains in the bearings, galleys up in the heads, baffles and coating parts than is in the filter. The only all new oil change is the first oil fill. Or after a complete tear down.


2018 Trd Pro 4Runner
2018 Tacoma off-road

Dealer 0w20 to M1 0w40 FS -it depends
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386321 03/26/20 03:39 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,363
B
bullwinkle Offline
Offline
B
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,363
Using a synthetic media filter-could probably use it until the can started rusting. A cellulose filter would make me a little nervous-they shouldn't disintegrate, but the possibility is there. I run the Ultras to death, 20K on the xB, going to be 22.5K on the MGM (both in my sig), but if I was running a cellulose or even a blend filter I think I would change it once a year. Even if I didn't change the oil too!


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7 (MC), 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2), 11 Express 3500 6.0 (Fram PH10060 for now)
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Fordiesel69] #5386363 03/26/20 04:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,054
D
DGXR Offline
Offline
D
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,054
Originally Posted by Fordiesel69
IF, and only IF you do highway runs to burn off any fuel dillution or water vapor, then I run all of mine 3 yrs, 3k miles and never had an issue or bad oil sample come back. There has been a few times it took all 3 yrs to get 3k miles and the filter just started to get surface rust on its unpainted surfaces.

It is not necessary to drive on the highway to get the oil up to full temperature. The key is engine run time... most engines will get to full temp in 5-8 minutes, depending on ambient. But the oil can take up to 20 minutes to reach 180F. That's why it's recommended, if you are doing a trip with multiple stops (like running errands around town), drive the longest leg first.


1995 Corvette coupe LT1 6-speed
2006 Tacoma 2.7 Base SR5 AC
1999 Yamaha YZ400FL
2003 Honda XR400R
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Bryanccfshr] #5386371 03/26/20 05:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 13,125
T
Triple_Se7en Online Content
Online Content
T
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 13,125
Originally Posted by Bryanccfshr
I do intermediate 5 k oil changes without a filter change. I don’t drain it, I don’t touch it. It gets changed every 10k.
Couple of reasons for this. I have cartridge filters that require skid plate removal to change..so I like to a void that too frequently. And, they are not being challenged or dirty even at 10k. The used oil leftover in the filter is not that much more when compared to what is left in the engine after a drain and filter change. More oil Oil remains in the bearings, galleys up in the heads, baffles and coating parts than is in the filter. The only all new oil change is the first oil fill. Or after a complete tear down.

Yep ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's also a great idea to help slow the garbage landfill amounts. Over 90% of DIY oil changers at home do not recycle the old oil filter and they end up in a landfill.


2019 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.4 GDI - Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 / OEM 35504 Filter
2020 Kia Soul X-Line 2.0 MPI - a 50-50 blend of Pennzoil Platinum HM & Pennzoil Gold 5w30 // AC Delco PF1127 Ecore




Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5386372 03/26/20 05:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,290
JohnnyJohnson Offline
Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 6,290
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Bryanccfshr
I do intermediate 5 k oil changes without a filter change. I don’t drain it, I don’t touch it. It gets changed every 10k.
Couple of reasons for this. I have cartridge filters that require skid plate removal to change..so I like to a void that too frequently. And, they are not being challenged or dirty even at 10k. The used oil leftover in the filter is not that much more when compared to what is left in the engine after a drain and filter change. More oil Oil remains in the bearings, galleys up in the heads, baffles and coating parts than is in the filter. The only all new oil change is the first oil fill. Or after a complete tear down.

Yep ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's also a great idea to help slow the garbage landfill amounts. Over 90% of DIY oil changers at home do not recycle the old oil filter and they end up in a landfill.


There is no need for that every O'Really's store I know of takes your oil and filters you don't even have to buy them from them.


2004 Corolla 140116
Out: Havoline Pro DS 10w-30 Purolator PureOne 10-29-19 136457
In: Pennzoil Platinum HM 5W-20 ST 4386
2006 Duramax 77077
Out: T6 5W-40 XG9100 73909
In: Rotella Dino PH9100 11-3-19
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: JohnnyJohnson] #5386412 03/26/20 05:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 13,125
T
Triple_Se7en Online Content
Online Content
T
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 13,125
There is a need when hardly anyone takes oil filter back to O'Reilly's. They let me take my two jugs to their big tank in the backroom. Normally I get there early in the week when the tank is almost full and there usually only stands 4-5 oil filters on the top screen. That tank is huge and probably holds thousands of quarts.

Kinda' sad really! I always cut mine open, but have no clue on how to get the pics to work here. I can't even get my UOAs / VOAs to show at this website.
This is what happens when I'm only two years removed from a flip phone. I just learned how to text six months ago.


2019 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.4 GDI - Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 / OEM 35504 Filter
2020 Kia Soul X-Line 2.0 MPI - a 50-50 blend of Pennzoil Platinum HM & Pennzoil Gold 5w30 // AC Delco PF1127 Ecore




Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386431 03/26/20 05:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 180
S
samven Offline
Offline
S
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 180
With the price of gas right now I say just take the car out for a nice leisurely drive for an hour or so to burn off any water or fuel and call the whole thing good for another year. Unless of course you change oil weight in the summer then just dump the sump and refill.

Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5386452 03/26/20 06:20 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,363
B
bullwinkle Offline
Offline
B
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,363
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by Bryanccfshr
I do intermediate 5 k oil changes without a filter change. I don’t drain it, I don’t touch it. It gets changed every 10k.
Couple of reasons for this. I have cartridge filters that require skid plate removal to change..so I like to a void that too frequently. And, they are not being challenged or dirty even at 10k. The used oil leftover in the filter is not that much more when compared to what is left in the engine after a drain and filter change. More oil Oil remains in the bearings, galleys up in the heads, baffles and coating parts than is in the filter. The only all new oil change is the first oil fill. Or after a complete tear down.

Yep ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's also a great idea to help slow the garbage landfill amounts. Over 90% of DIY oil changers at home do not recycle the old oil filter and they end up in a landfill.

They make GREAT firestarters (thanks Adam/car51), and all my metal goes in the scrap pile, unless it vaporizes in the wood stove.


06 Ram 3500 CTD 4X4(FG Venturi), 89 F-450 7.3, 98 XJ 4.0(XG8A), 05 xB(XG3600), 18 Transit 3.7 (MC), 03 Merc Grand Marquis 4.6 2V(XG2), 11 Express 3500 6.0 (Fram PH10060 for now)
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386526 03/26/20 07:58 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 7,087
BlueOvalFitter Offline
Offline
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 7,087
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Recently the weather's been getting warmer, so I know it's time for my annual change on the Lexus.
After reviewing the maintenance book, it seems as though I've only driven it a paltry 2,000kms/1250 miles in the last year (since March 2019).
For oil I'm running full syn Pennzoil platinum 5w30. No leaks/burning as it only has roughly 55k miles

Since the car does it's fair share of stop and go driving, I'm thinking I should at least refresh the additive package in the oil.
Should I change the filter too? The owners manual says you can get away with doing it every other change...

thoughts? opinions?

I would change the oil filter EVERY OCI. A lot of the members around here will disapprove of my thoughts/answer.


2007 F150, 4.2 V6
Havoline PRO DS 5W20, M1-209A
"One Filter, One OCI!"
"One Box, One OCI!"
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Yah-Tah-Hey] #5386571 03/26/20 08:27 PM
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 8,103
B
bbhero Online Content
Online Content
B
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 8,103
Originally Posted by Yah-Tah-Hey
WHY



Ahhh because you can LOL


Not a big deal in my opinion.


Nissan Altima 3.5 Coupe
Cam2 Full synthetic 5w30 Carquest Blue 84356
"Treat your family like your friends and treat your friends like your family."
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386596 03/26/20 09:01 PM
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,743
T
TheLawnRanger Offline
Offline
T
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,743
-

Last edited by TheLawnRanger; 03/26/20 09:23 PM.

2011 Impala
2012 Colorado
Oil: 5w30 synthetic
Filters: Wix 51522 for both
Re: Ok to change oil and NOT filter? [Re: Lolvoguy] #5386628 03/26/20 09:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,482
J
JMJNet Offline
Offline
J
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,482
All answers are funny.

Do you all realize that most Toyota have gone to Cartridge filter?
So, the gasket is really not an issue.

OP can drain the oil filter without opening the filter. Duh.

IMO, it is fine to keep the filter and for 2000 miles, I would think that it is fine to let the oil run longer.
Unless, the engine is in bad conditions.

I probably more worried on the low mileage driven car to have leaks which happened to me on an older Lexus owned previously.
All the seals started to go bad.


  • 2017 Toyota Sienna
  • 1995 GMC Suburban 6.5L Turbo Diesel


Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

BOB IS THE OIL GUY® Powered by UBB.threads™